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DaveReidUK 13th Dec 2020 17:26


Originally Posted by pax britanica (Post 10946471)
Didn't the red wings come about as a hi-viz measure after a tragic mid air somewhere in Turkey or Yugoslavia, have a vague memory it was something to with that.

A BEA Viscount had a mid-air collision with an Italian AF F-86 in 1958, a year or so before the "Red square" scheme was adopted.

I'm not aware of any link between the two events.

jaytee54 23rd Mar 2021 17:03

When did the "red square" scheme change? Or did it?
Was the shiny metal lower half at some time changed to a pale grey paint scheme? (like FB in Duxford museum)
If so, when, and why?

Groundloop 23rd Mar 2021 22:08


Originally Posted by pax britanica (Post 10946471)
Didnt the red wings come about as a hi-viz measure after a tragic mid air somewhere in Turkey or Yugoslavia, have a vague memory it was something to with that .

The Zagreb collision occured in 1976, red wings appeared in 1959.

DaveReidUK 24th Mar 2021 07:50


Originally Posted by jaytee54 (Post 11014821)
When did the "red square" scheme change? Or did it?

It changed fairly early on (not sure of the exact date) in that the red square on the fin/rudder was made considerably bigger::

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....54773c4007.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2b09d7d902.jpg


Albert Hall 24th Mar 2021 18:14

I always thought the red wings were introduced after the Munich / Manchester United accident to improve pilots' ability to spot surface contamination. I can't remember where I'd read or heard this, but the timing of their introduction in 1959 stated above ties in with the aftermath of the Munich Elizabethan accident in 1958. Could be purely coincidental - and the Viscount / F86 mid-air collision in Italy was later in 1958 as well.

blind pew 25th Mar 2021 09:38

On a side note around 20 years ago the GSA...(UK military gliding association) did a trial with two crews and two aircraft one of which had dayglow orange anti collision markings no doubt brought on by the requirement for gliders rock polishing in the french alps. The test under radar showed very little difference and iirc favoured the non marked up aircraft being viewed earlier. The crews were interchanged between aircraft.
It was suggested that the eye/brain recognises danger by shape and by breaking up the shape with colour flashes was a form of camouflage hence the derogatory effect.
The french subsequently brought in the requirement for flarm.

dixi188 25th Mar 2021 10:32

Thread drift.
Back in about 1981 at BCAL Gatwick, the BAC1-11s were getting the wingtips hit by Transit vans quite regularly, so it was decided to paint the wingtips dayglo orange.
The first such painted aircraft left the hangar on a Friday. I came to work on the following Monday to see that aircraft in the hangar having a wingtip changed due to Transit van damage.
It seemed that now bright dayglo, the wingtip could not be missed.

treadigraph 25th Mar 2021 11:39

Dixi, I'd forgotten about those! Why just Cale and not Dan-Dare or Laker?

Think the Vanguard looked great in the BEA schemes...

Downwind_Left 25th Mar 2021 19:48

Distinctly remember BA BAC1-11s having fluorescent markings on the wingtips in the Landor livery. Stuck in my mind as always thought it looked unusual.


condor17 5th Apr 2021 09:11

Dixi , despite the hi viz wing tips ..I seem to remember one of our S-111s taking the cab off a JCB at GLA ... Guessing the JCB was yellow ..

rgds condor .

The AvgasDinosaur 6th Apr 2021 20:32

Has anyone ever found an artists impression of a Fairey Rotordyne in BEA red square livery in colour ? I’ve found a couple in black and white.
Thanks

DaveReidUK 6th Apr 2021 20:50

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....732d770752.jpg

http://www.redbackaviation.com/wp-co...yne-layout.jpg


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