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Octane 5th Mar 2020 11:49

Flightradar24 question
 
I was tracking a Bizjet with known registration but private destination and owner details. I predicted the destination but it disappeared off Flightradar24 completely. Would this suggest security precautions due VVIP flight?
Thanks

SpringHeeledJack 5th Mar 2020 12:00

Maybe they turn off M-LAT or whatever under a certain altitude for their own reasons, whatever they may be ? I notice that certain aircraft are visible on some tracker, yet on others empty space. Who knows why, not me, but I'm sure someone will be along with a detailed explanation soon enough :-)

jmmoric 5th Mar 2020 12:11

One of the most insecure systems ever invented.....

Dave Gittins 5th Mar 2020 12:17

Tracking systems are a compete mystery to me. Remember being in Barbados a few years ago when FR 24 had some flights and Planefinder had others and some appeared on both. Never found out why.

Similarly last week in Madeira looking at Shipfinder, Cruise Ship Tracker and FleetMon to see what was coming into harbour and it was a compete arbitrary mix what appears on what tracker and occasionally 100,000 tones would appear with no warning at all.

DaveReidUK 5th Mar 2020 12:51


Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack (Post 10703738)
Maybe they turn off M-LAT or whatever under a certain altitude for their own reasons, whatever they may be ?

Multilateration is progressively more difficult to achieve as altitude decreases, as it depends on the aircraft's transmissions being received simultaneously by several different ground stations, and that requires line-of-sight from each of them.


Originally Posted by jmmoric (Post 10703752)
One of the most insecure systems ever invented.....

Are you talking about MLat? Or ADS-B/Mode S in general ?

jmmoric 5th Mar 2020 12:56


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10703803)
Are you talking about MLat? Or ADS-B/Mode S in general ?

ADS-B...

MLAT is great :)

N707ZS 5th Mar 2020 14:03

Perhaps the jet landed at an airport not covered by a contributor to FR24. At Teesside airport a contributor turns his equipment off so aircraft disappear once they get to a certain height.

DaveReidUK 5th Mar 2020 14:13


Originally Posted by jmmoric (Post 10703814)
ADS-B...

MLAT is great :)

Fair enough.

In my experience ADS-B is pretty good, too, but if yours is mostly via FR24 I can understand your misgivings.

377 Pete 5th Mar 2020 14:20


Originally Posted by Octane (Post 10703725)
...but it disappeared off Flightradar24 completely. Would this suggest security precautions due VVIP flight?
Thanks

FR24 will block A/C info ( Mode-s hexcode, tail#, reg., owner/operator info, etc.) on request, but in this case, I think line-of-sight with a ground station was lost, which is very common in areas where there are sparse volunteer ground stations.

Octane 6th Mar 2020 03:56


Originally Posted by 377 Pete (Post 10703896)
FR24 will block A/C info ( Mode-s hexcode, tail#, reg., owner/operator info, etc.) on request, but in this case, I think line-of-sight with a ground station was lost, which is very common in areas where there are sparse volunteer ground stations.

The other aircraft in the vicinity on the same route remained on screen until landing. That's why I was wondering if it was a security reason to hide the destination..

Thank you for your replies :-)

DaveReidUK 6th Mar 2020 06:38


Originally Posted by Octane (Post 10704445)
The other aircraft in the vicinity on the same route remained on screen until landing.

It's likely then (see explanations above) that the aircraft that remained on your screen was sending ADS-B data (and hence only needed to be picked up by one station on the ground to establish its position) and the aircraft that disappeared was only sending Mode S (and therefore could only be plotted while being picked up simultaneously by several ground stations).

Nothing to do with being blocked (in that case, FR24 wouldn't show the aircraft at all).

Peter47 6th Mar 2020 10:24

In my experience FR24 is not bad with passenger flights but poorer with biz jets and cargo flights. With the last flights often appear multiple times often with unknown against some of them. I don['t know if anyone knows what the problem is. It could be a lack of data from airline and airport sources and confusion with triangular (or more complicated) patterns where a sector may carry the number of the inbound or outbound flight.

N707ZS 24th Feb 2022 09:15

FR 24 off line
 
The flight tracker seems to have gone off line this morning after slowing down, is it everyone watching Ukraine.

DaveReidUK 24th Feb 2022 10:08


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 11189307)
The flight tracker seems to have gone off line this morning after slowing down, is it everyone watching Ukraine.

Unsurprisingly, it would appear so.

N707ZS 24th Feb 2022 10:34

Thanks Dave, first finger pointed at Virgin, too many kids on the internet for school holidays, but no the speed test was ok.

horatio_b 24th Feb 2022 10:43

The FAA have an option (LADD) for flight tracking data to be blocked on application, usually from owners of N-registered executive jets
Ironically, ADS-B, which states it does not block anything, has an LADD filter which allows the display of just these aircraft which are blocked by FR24 and other trackers.

SpringHeeledJack 24th Feb 2022 11:42

When I looked a while ago Cloudflare was giving me a 7-minute waiting time for FR24 b before seeing the site and moments later I was blocked just like that! As mentioned they must be overwhelmed today as perhaps the most well known of the trackers.

DaveReidUK 24th Feb 2022 12:57


Originally Posted by horatio_b (Post 11189373)
Ironically, ADS-B, which states it does not block anything, has an LADD filter which allows the display of just these aircraft which are blocked by FR24 and other trackers.

ADS-B contains no built-in filters. Any aircraft transmitting ADS-B can be picked up by any ADS-B receiver within range. Or are you referring to filters at the flight trackers?

horatio_b 24th Feb 2022 14:34

On the right hand side of the adsbexchange.com display there are a number of optional filters. One will restrict to military aircraft. Another "LADD" will only show aircraft blocked by FR24 etc. This filter will probably only show half a dozen aircraft over the whole of Europe.

DaveReidUK 24th Feb 2022 16:09

Thanks for the clarification, makes sense now.


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