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Originally Posted by BKS Air Transport
(Post 10489625)
Having mentioned it, could someone tell me why the 720B was regarded as being sufficiently different from the 707 so as to have its own designation?
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Originally Posted by ProPax
(Post 10485060)
In all fairness, Airbus didn't exist back then. :-)
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Originally Posted by ZFT
(Post 10483880)
It certainly wasn't the SP. (I don't recall them ever on the LHR route.) The time frame for the Upington stop was just before I left SAA so around 1976 - 1978 so IIRC the 74 Classics had been upgraded to Super B by then. (don't think the Upington tech stop lasted too long as I remember sitting on the ground waiting for the temp to drop to get the last drop of fuel in before setting off north).
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On a side note, the lack of a clear definition of the words 'long-haul' and 'short-haul' offers PR men an opportunity to bend the truth. Newcastle Airport continuously big up the Emirates flight to Dubai as their 'first ever scheduled long haul service', when they had scheduled service to Toronto for years in the 1980's and possibly the 1990's.
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Originally Posted by jensdad
(Post 10493196)
On a side note, the lack of a clear definition of the words 'long-haul' and 'short-haul' offers PR men an opportunity to bend the truth. Newcastle Airport continuously big up the Emirates flight to Dubai as their 'first ever scheduled long haul service', when they had scheduled service to Toronto for years in the 1980's and possibly the 1990's.
Were the Toronto services (presumably Air Transat) in the OAG? Maybe NCL are treating those as charter rather than scheduled? |
Hi Dave, the Wardair services (and possibly the Air Transat ones, but I wasn't quite as much of a geek by then :) ) were regarded as scheduled by the airport (they had them in their old printed timetable; charter / IT services weren't listed). It's more to do with the airport management's 'bigging up' Emirates. I'm on the outside looking in but they seem to be like starstruck teenagers where EK are concerned. BA carry twice as many passengers to LHR, but a 777 looks better on the PR shots than an A319. Just a side issue really, probably better suited to the NCL thread :)
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers
(Post 10483118)
Back in the 70's twins couldn't fly over expanses of water or other terrain where they didn't have a suitable alternate airfield to drop in to PDQ.
I'm alarmed that this wasn't said in the first reply because it's the correct answer. |
Originally Posted by IcePaq
(Post 10495029)
Back in the 70's twins couldn't fly over expanses of water or other terrain where they didn't have a suitable alternate airfield to drop in to PDQ. What was considered long-haul in the 70s and what now? |
Originally Posted by Mr Mac
(Post 10486525)
Propax I was a regular on the BCAL Santiago flight coming back and forth to school in the UK when my father worked there. I used to do it 3 times a year for 4 years from the early 1970,s at first with an “ Auntie “ - retired stewardess and then as I got older on my own. Flight of 19 hours I seem to remember as being some what aspirational, as after travelling to London I always seemed to miss the connection and end up being put up in a hotel before onward flight. As for what the airports were like in that period down route I would have to say they were a lot more primitive. Indeed my parents had a photo of me at Palma circa 1963 besides a Nissan hut with a donkey and hitch rail which was the terminal. We flew in an Ambassador on that occasion. All the aforementioned BCAL flights were on 707 and stops were Freetown, Rio, BA, Santiago I think, and from Gatwick. Flights in UK to Scotland were BCAL 1-11. Regards Mr Mac |
Originally Posted by Bergerie1
(Post 10486922)
ProPax,
But Vickers did, and BOAC did not do Vickers any favours over the VC10. That was when the slogan, the Boeing Only Airline Company, was invented. (It may have been Corporation rather than Company - the brain cells fail me!). But I was flying VC10s. |
Originally Posted by Quietplease
(Post 10487117)
Original routing from Dec 65 was Sydney Nandi Papeete Acapulco Mexico City Bermuda London. Later Auckland replaced Nandi. How long did that take for passengers? I can't imagine less than one full day.
Originally Posted by Quietplease
(Post 10487117)
Nothing much between the two so hard work for the nav. Extra oxygen fitted to enable cruise at, I seem to remember, 18000ft if there was decompression at ETP.
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ProPax Re post #70. The VC10, certainly in BOAC and probably generally, was not cleared to use reverse in flight. I think you may be thinking of the Trident. |
finncapt is right - it was the Trident.
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Originally Posted by finncapt
(Post 10504485)
ProPax Re post #70. The VC10, certainly in BOAC and probably generally, was not cleared to use reverse in flight. I think you may be thinking of the Trident.
Originally Posted by Bergerie1
(Post 10504642)
finncapt is right - it was the Trident.
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Originally Posted by ProPax
(Post 10504327)
How long did that take for passengers? I can't imagine less than one full day.
Oxygen for the crew or for the pax? |
Originally Posted by ProPax
(Post 10504758)
Trident it was then. :) Thanks.
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I can remember flights to/from Singapore that stopped everywhere in the 70's - LHR- Geneva- Abu Dhabi - Colombo - SIN or SIN- Delhi - Oman- Athens - LHR were common and when SQ flew to the USA it was often via Guam and Hawaii
I once took a Pan-Am 747SP direct SF-HK - I think it 16 hours but everyone was comatose - the takeoff at SF seemed to last several days it was so heavy.................. |
Originally Posted by Quietplease
(Post 10505516)
Oxygen for everyone. We were expected to deliver them alive. |
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And another questions if you don't mind. :) These days a pilot's experience is measured in flight hours. However, I saw quite a few 30-40's documentaries and news reels, especially from Germany and Soviet Union, where pilots' experience was measured in kilometers flown. Was that ever a thing in other countries? Maybe you happen to know when the transition to flight hours occurred? |
Where would Concorde have fitted in? Not long haul if counting aisles, or seats, or weight, and made long haul duration flights in short haul times......
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