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MacSheikh 18th Nov 2016 11:21

A350 at Stornoway
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...lands-37998490

Interestingly not in Iceland for a change!
Also noting the crab angle. The Airbus I fly states; the flight crew can land the aircraft with a partial de-crab up to 5 degrees!

Groundloop 18th Nov 2016 11:25

Now that's what I call a touch-and-go - the nosewheel didn't even touch down!

cats_five 18th Nov 2016 11:41

It's hard to judge the exact crab angle from a photo taken a long way away with a very long lens.

DaveReidUK 18th Nov 2016 12:36

If you're looking straight down the runway it's pretty simple to estimate the drift angle regardless of the length of your lens, and only slightly more difficult if your view is offset.

FixClrEnt 18th Nov 2016 14:26

Touch & go, that was almost no more than a bounce!

fantom 18th Nov 2016 15:28

Dreadful. The shock to the gear...

I won't even start...

Canute 18th Nov 2016 18:39

fantom

Have you considered the possibility that the Airbus pilots might know what they are doing?

ian16th 18th Nov 2016 18:46

Is this a stupid question?

Its crew flew to the island to train in the strong cross winds that are frequently experienced there, BBC Scotland understands.
If the strong cross winds are frequent, shouldn't they have laid out the runway differently?

Or maybe an additional runway, the old RAF WWII triangle had its reasons.

G-ARZG 18th Nov 2016 18:54

Keflavik is unavailable for such test flights at present, I believe, while its runways are reworked...

fantom 18th Nov 2016 19:00


fantom

Have you considered the possibility that the Airbus pilots might know what they are doing?
Canute,

Have you considered the possibility that I have trained more pilots on their very first flights in the REAL aircraft (320 and 330) than you have had hot dinners?

piesupper 18th Nov 2016 19:04


If the strong cross winds are frequent, shouldn't they have laid out the runway differently?

Or maybe an additional runway, the old RAF WWII triangle had its reasons.
Sorta like this?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...848692!6m1!1e1

Mr Magnetic 18th Nov 2016 19:13


Have you considered the possibility that I have trained more pilots on their very first flights in the REAL aircraft (320 and 330) than you have had hot dinners?
Seems unlikely...

jaytee54 18th Nov 2016 19:36

We used 07/25 occasionally in the Budgie days, but I'm not sure that the third side of the triangle remained in use even then.

M.Mouse 18th Nov 2016 20:38


Dreadful. The shock to the gear...
To quote from both the Boeing 787 and B777 Flight Crew Training Manual:

The airplane(sic) can land using crab only (zero sideslip) up to the landing crosswind guideline speeds.

It goes on to mention that it is not recommended in strong crosswinds on a dry runway but purely for the reason that the aircraft lateral deviation on touchdown in this condition is large.

While it is clear that the stresses on the undercarriage when landing like this are large clearly the design caters for such stresses. It may not look elegant, it may be less comfortable but it is certainly acceptable if the manufacturer says you can do it.

I presume if the aircraft which is the subject of this thread was being operated by Airbus themselves then their airframes are also capable of landing safely with crab.

Meester proach 18th Nov 2016 20:52

Fantom,
They'll be better at it than you as they are Airbus test pilots and thus closer to godlike than you will ever achieve

Good Business Sense 19th Nov 2016 08:02

Go on Fantom .... why don't you start.... enlighten us

.... from somebody who has high five figures in A330, 340, 747 TRI/E

DaveReidUK 19th Nov 2016 09:00

I'd happily fly with him - if he thinks landing gears are that fragile, his touchdowns must be super-smooth. :O

Coochycool 19th Nov 2016 09:28

Might I humbly proffer that it was likely a deliberate act to test the gear in that exact circumstance?

Good old non-destructive testing in action.

Great looking jet.

BCAR Section L 19th Nov 2016 10:16

Didn't even move the scale in terms of gear performance.
Best regards from a Gloucester based landing gear engineer

fantom 19th Nov 2016 15:12

OK I give up.


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