"Sully" The Movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ3zSRgDtkA
Jury is out on this one. I guess they had to "ham" it up a bit |
I guess they had to "ham" it up a bit |
The man himself (Sully, not Hanks) gave a talk to a crowded house at last year's NBAA. Spell-binding ! I fear the film will be an anti-climax after seeing 'the real deal'...
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Ahh I thought this was gonna be about the big Blue monster from Monsters Inc. :)
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Whilst this was a very well executed water landing, I feel that the heroism bestowed on Mr. Sullenburger, and the associated hype was a little over the top. [Guess it would be, as it's America]. The event would have been the same, even if he had an empty aircraft, because he would still need to save himself. He had the whole of the Hudson to land on. In my opinion, the much better film would have been about the Air Transat A.330 that had a thin piece of concrete to land on, and made it, from a very long way away, after running out of fuel with a major leak.
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JEM60
Wasn't there some hush-hush about the Transat case? I recall the Capt was interviewed once on camera but during and after the investigation he has been very silent. I thought what that Capt did must have been equally amazing as the Hudson ditching, so I wonder what the hush is about. |
Originally Posted by JEM60
(Post 9426679)
He had the whole of the Hudson to land on. In my opinion, the much better film would have been about the Air Transat A.330 that had a thin piece of concrete to land on, and made it, from a very long way away, after running out of fuel with a major leak.
Compare that with the unknowns around US1549 - would they find an open space anywhere to land, would the A320 break up on impact, would it stay afloat long enough for the passengers to get off? While I'm sure the movie will take some liberties with events, I think we should wait to see it before making up our minds. :O |
I recall the Capt was interviewed once on camera but during and after the investigation he has been very silent. |
the Air Transat A.330 that had a thin piece of concrete to land on |
I don't usually have much emotional budget for airframe drivers, but I do feel somewhat sorry for Mr Skiles. He is obscured by the 'Michael Collins Effect' which is frustrating in this allegedly-enlightened era of CRM and emphasis on teamwork.
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RightWayUp
Maybe something to do with the reason they lost all their fuel El Bunto Agree on Mr Skiles. I have seen interviews with him and he seems just as top notch as Sully himself. |
It will also be interesting so see if the rape of US Airways pilot's pension scheme is included. I think one if the reasons that Sully was not paraded in public by his employers after the event was that he gave them both barrels every time he did. Imagine being one of US Airways PR people. You have an incredible story that you'd like to tell but it will get stuffed up your bum if you try. You might even find that Sully insisted that reference to this this was included as a price for his help in making the film. It will be interesting to see.
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The reason Air Transat had to glide |
Five of the 12 causes/contributing factors identified by the GPIAA related to acts or omissions by the crew in respect of fuel management.
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I'm now going to commit heresy so, first: The ditching with no minutes warning, at very low altitude whilst still in the intial stages of climb out AND whilst over a significant part of the world - was brilliant.
But, I could not help noticing that he was deeply fortunate that the Hudson was on the ebb and was heading in the same direction as he wanted to go. So the ditching was with the tide, not against it. Had the wind and tide been opposite, he might not have had the height to orientate to where it was going - even if that info was available to eyesight when you're doing so much else. I sit to be corrected on this. I realise that the meedja folks want to make money out of anything but, I don't see how you make a whole movie out of an event that was less than 10 minutes start to finish? The actual time from strike to stopped in the water was, I think, even less? I am sorry to hear that the First Officer has been sidelined by the flaming meedja. As to Cpt Sullenberger stuffing it to his employer? Go boy go. [They don't like it up 'em Captain] |
RightWayUp, DaveReidUK
I checked it out on Wikipedia and yes, it seemed the crew made the fuel leak worse. Didn't read the report yet though. However, apparently the engine maintenance was really sub par, fitting a pipe of another dimension. This was the underlying cause for fuel leak. Unfortunately the crew failed to notice the leak. Will read the report, it may explain why they didn't notice/understand their fuel status. |
Whatever happens, it can't be any worse than that Denzil Washington film ffrom a couple of years ago!
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Originally Posted by MrSnuggles
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Will read the report, it may explain why they didn't notice/understand their fuel status.
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Hi MrSnuggles,
It is quite an interesting read. Ultimately they didn't realise it was a leak and preferred to think it was a computer problem, and even more unfortunately carried out the fuel imbalance checklist by memory hence opening the XFEED. If they had used the QRH as they should have done, the first line would have told them to not carry out the checklist if fuel leak suspected. |
IMHO: Sully's real skill was in making the decision to ditch in the Hudson and not make a 50/50 attempt at the beckoning runway ahead. That was the real skill; the ditching was a notch down on that. Skilful? Yes; something i hope all of us would expect to be able to execute. Would all of us have made the ditching decision/choice? I wonder.
The Air Transat scenario was a classic Swiss cheese affair. Many factors contributed to the crew being in a hole; some stupidity from engineers and from themselves. Pure luck put a runway within reach. They then executed a 'get out of the hole' manoeuvre excellently. Does that deserve medals and commendations? Not for me to comment, but they all survived. Without Lajes we'd be discussing the merits of Sully A320 on a calm river v A330 on a lumpy sea in the middle of nowhere. I suspect the latter would not have been fatality-less, and a deep sea rescue op would have involved more than a couple of ferries. |
Originally Posted by PAXboy
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I realise that the meedja folks want to make money out of anything but, I don't see how you make a whole movie out of an event that was less than 10 minutes start to finish? The actual time from strike to stopped in the water was, I think, even less?
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RightWayUp, DaveReidUK
I finished the report. Feel somewhat bad for Capt Piche: I'm sure he and his co-pilot didn't intend to flame out any engine and yet they did. They even had help from the ground that didn't catch the error! It was a great piece of flying that took him to the Azores though. I feel like he is kind of like that Chinese Capt that managed to upset his own flight by restarting engines outside of SOP but somehow regaind control just a few thousand feet about to crash in the ocean. A brainfart that resulted in something bad, but was saved due to some excellent piloting after the brainfart. If only someone on the AF447 had had the kind of anti-brainfart mindset... |
I have a copy of it, probably burned for me from Discovery channel, Air Transat 330 I mean!
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I feel like he is kind of like that Chinese Capt that managed to upset his own flight by restarting engines outside of SOP but somehow regaind control just a few thousand feet about to crash in the ocean. Once you turn the fuel off, it takes a bit of time for them to relight and spool back up even in a dive |
Although I feel that USA goes a bit OTT on hero worship, I wish Britain would show a bit more respect for those who display exemplary skill. Interesting to compare Sully with Burkhill/Coward ("Who?" !) BA38:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38 |
Add in the RYR captain at CIA who, as PNF, took over at very low level as the F/O PF commenced a GA after an engine spluttered during a multiple bird-strike; only for the 'good' engine splutter also as increased thrust was requested. He planted the a/c on the runway and all walked away, after kissing the ground. Horrors to think what the outcome might have been if the 'good' donk quit at 1000' during the climbing GA. Lots of houses around CIA. It really would have been a burning hole.
Another un-sung hero. There must be many. |
Chesty Morgan
They're not or they'd have called it "Ditching in a River" not "Sully". It's just that that happens every day in every walk of life. The movie studio reckon that the free publicity of the (now) nationally known name will bring in more cash. As I heard in an interview many years ago, about the studios: "The boss men don't care if they're making movies or baked beans - as long as they make money." Which is, amusingly, how airlines now also function ... |
Having just watched the "Sully" movie which I must say I found to be quite entertaining I have a query which hopefully can be answered here.
Just after the birdstrike and with two dead engines Sully switches on the APU which I presume is powered up using battery power. Question, which controls, flying surfaces, instrumentation, communications etc can be powered by the A320 APU. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by Mike Tee
(Post 10029811)
Having just watched the "Sully" movie which I must say I found to be quite entertaining I have a query which hopefully can be answered here.
Just after the birdstrike and with two dead engines Sully switches on the APU which I presume is powered up using battery power. Question, which controls, flying surfaces, instrumentation, communications etc can be powered by the A320 APU. Thanks. Loss of Thrust in Both Engines After Encountering a Flock of Birds and Subsequent Ditching on the Hudson River US Airways Flight 1549 Airbus A320-214, N106US |
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