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Fly4Business 18th Apr 2016 14:37

"manual" in call common?
 
Last weekend I noticed calls "ILS established manual" on the radio at controlled airports in continental Europe.
Does this signal "hand-flown, no autopilot", why? From call signs I guess it were training flights of a big ATO.
Is that call now common practice?

Sir Niall Dementia 18th Apr 2016 16:26

Never heard of it, its' probably some EASAism that I should take notice of, and eventually might, but I can't find a reference in any CAP so I doubt it.

SND

3wheels 18th Apr 2016 18:26

Guessing...Cat 1 approach, so therefore manual landing. No Cat3 protection required?

chevvron 18th Apr 2016 20:21

Probably means I'm flying it manually rather than the autopilot so I may deviate slightly from LLZ/GP.

27/09 19th Apr 2016 07:06

No, I think it means, "I had to get the manual out to read how to fly the old fashioned ILS rather than flying a new fangled RNAV approach that I'm more used to". :E

BoeingBoy 19th Apr 2016 07:46

Unless this has been introduced since I retired in January there is no requirement whatsoever to tell ATC if you are flying a manual ILS or not.

The only requirement is to stipulate that if you intend to practise an autoland (Cat3) ILS in good weather then you will not need the LVP protection hence the call 'No protection required'.

fireflybob 19th Apr 2016 07:58


Unless this has been introduced since I retired in January there is no requirement whatsoever to tell ATC if you are flying a manual ILS or not.
Dave, the children of the magenta line probably regard a hand flown ILS now as a state of urgency...

Fly4Business 19th Apr 2016 10:54


Dave, the children of the magenta line probably regard a hand flown ILS now as a state of urgency...
That is a good one!

goldox 21st Apr 2016 11:29

Is it possible that the ATCO's name was Manuel, and everyone was on first name terms with him? :)

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 21st Apr 2016 11:39

Love it goldox.... When I first worked with the USAF I had to transfer traffic to GCA with the phrase "Contact GCA on Stud 5 or manual on 385.4" My mentor told me it was a Spanish GCA controller...


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