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yurski 14th Sep 2014 16:18

Crosswind or wake turbulence ?
 
What is main problem in this tricky landing of Russian cargo plane IL-76. Crosswind or wake turbulence from Typhoon? Crosswind landing of cargo plane Ilyushin IL-76 at Farnborough FIA14 - YouTube

Basil 15th Sep 2014 08:43

Just crosswind.

AndoniP 15th Sep 2014 13:32

look at the efflux from the typhoon, it immediately gets blown to the right, the trees at the bottom would also indicate it's just windy conditions

Talkdownman 15th Sep 2014 16:28

Typhoon MTOM is approx 23500Kgs therefore in the 'Small' Wake Turbulence Category.
IL76 MTOM is 195000Kgs therefore in the 'Heavy' Wake Turbulence Category (hardly surprising…)

From CAP493: In the case of an IL76 behind a Typhoon separation for wake turbulence reasons alone is not necessary.

I don't think the IL76 would have even felt a tickle…a crosswind, on the other hand, is a different matter, regardless of mass...

+TSRA 16th Sep 2014 03:56

You'll also notice that the Typhoon seems to have been taking off. The Ilyushin was landing. As wake turbulence does not start until the aircraft rotates off the ground, there is no way the Ilyushin would have been affected by the Typhoon's wake even if you were not dealing with a small/heavy category difference - it would have landed well before the point that the Typhoon rotated...never mind the effects of wind on the wake. Looks either like a low level wind shift (considering the gusts in the trees) or a pilot over-controlling on landing (which never happens). ;)

yurski 17th Sep 2014 16:38

Thank you guys for your answers!

ManUtd1999 18th Sep 2014 15:46


As wake turbulence does not start until the aircraft rotates off the ground, there is no way the Ilyushin would have been affected by the Typhoon's wake even if you were not dealing with a small/heavy category difference -
Why does wake turbulence start at rotation? Surely as soon as the wings are producing lift (ie, the aircraft is at a reasonable speed), there will be some wake turbulence? Granted it will be lower until AoA is increased (rotation), but not negligible.

oceanhawk 18th Sep 2014 18:58

Wake turbulence
 
As has been stated, wake turbulence does not start until the aircraft rotates off the ground ~ Fact.

DaveReidUK 18th Sep 2014 21:08


Granted it will be lower until AoA is increased (rotation), but not negligible.
Most aircraft do indeed produce negligible lift at incidences that correspond to the nosewheel on the runway.

That's why they need to rotate. :O

Armchairflyer 19th Sep 2014 12:28

I suppose one could also say that wake turbulence is produced as soon as the wings (and not the landing gear) bear the weight of the plane (or most of it).


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