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donnlass 5th May 2010 20:56

Numbering Engines
 
When hearing about engine problems ie No 3 engine failed or start up no 2, 3 & 4 what is the order of engines on a 747 or a twin jet?

Is it left to right 1 - 4 or the other way round?

Cheers.

DeepestSouth 5th May 2010 21:04

If you are sitting in the aircraft looking forward, No 1 is on your far left, No 2 on your near left, No 3 on your near right and No 4 on your far right.

Simples!

One9iner 5th May 2010 21:06

Normal engine start up on ground or engine re-start after all have failed in flight?

On a twin prop, if both props rotate clockwise as viewed from behind, engine 1 is the critical engine and would be started first if both failed in flight.

edit: Just realised you were only asking about the engine numbers, not start sequence.

It's been a long day!

donnlass 5th May 2010 21:27

Well I hope you enjoyed it anyway.

From port to starboard. Got it:ok::ok:

Thanks to you both.

FN-GM 5th May 2010 21:33

Hi,

Just wondering what the ordering would be on a 3 engined aircraft. Would the one in the tail be no 2 or 3?

Sorry for the stupid question

Thanks

Blink182 5th May 2010 21:37

tail engine ( as in a DC-10 or L1011 for instance ) is the No. 2

donnlass 5th May 2010 21:42

Its a very valid question not a stupid one.

FN-GM 5th May 2010 21:42

Thanks Guys :ok:

L337 5th May 2010 21:51

However, on a twin, some airlines refer to them as.... Left and Right.

No numbers.

Skipness One Echo 6th May 2010 10:50


some airlines refer to them as.... Left and Right.
Who on Earth still does this?
I thought after the British Midland B737-400 came down on approach to EMA, the lesson was that absolutes were more helpful than left and right which depends on which way you're looking!

kevlarcarl 6th May 2010 11:44

rubbish L337 the only people who refer to engines as left and right are the spotting fraternity:eek:

Three Mile Final 6th May 2010 11:49

How are they numbered on a Cessna Skymaster ?

I'll get me coat..... :O

smudgethecat 6th May 2010 12:08

Actually skipness i speak to a fair few older pilots who still use the term port

and stbd when identifiying engines , perhaps its a old airforce habit as

engines were at one time refered to that way, for eg, on a four engined a/c

engine #1 was port outer #2 port inner etc

Skipness One Echo 6th May 2010 12:52

No I agree, port and starboard are the absolutes I was referring to.


are the spotting fraternity
I'm a spotter, this is Spotters Corner and you sir, are being condescending with no good reason.

forget 6th May 2010 13:10


kevlarcarl. rubbish L337 the only people who refer to engines as left and right are the spotting fraternity
kevlarcarl - What a waste of space you are! Tell your opinions to the UK AAIB, that's if you know what the letters stand for.


Whilst on approach to London (Heathrow) from Beijing, China, at 720 feet agl, the right engine of G-YMMM ceased responding to autothrottle commands for increased power and instead the power reduced to 1.03 Engine Pressure Ratio (EPR). Seven seconds later the left engine power reduced to 1.02 EPR. This reduction led to a loss of airspeed and the aircraft touching down some 330 m short of the paved surface of Runway 27L at London Heathrow. The investigation identified that the reduction in thrust was due to restricted fuel flow to both engines.

DeepestSouth 6th May 2010 17:50

Skymaster?

IIRC from a brief experience with one at Kidlington in 1973 (and endless discussions on the REAL need for a twin rating and assymetric training in order to fly it) the front one was No 1 and the rear one was No 2. The throttles were side by side with No 1 (the front engine) nearest you and No 2 to the right of it.

jackieofalltrades 7th May 2010 01:20


On a twin prop, if both props rotate clockwise as viewed from behind, engine 1 is the critical engine and would be started first if both failed in flight.
Purely out of curiosity One9iner, why is that?

Capt Fathom 7th May 2010 02:27


the only people who refer to engines as left and right are the spotting fraternity
Boeing would disagree with that statement!

chimbu warrior 7th May 2010 03:31


the only people who refer to engines as left and right are the spotting fraternity
For reasons I have been unable to determine, Boeing numbers their engines on the B707, 727, 737, 747 and 777, but on the B767 (and, because it is a common type rating), I assume also on the B757 it uses the terms left and right to describe engines.

Maybe they are frustrated spotters.........:ok:

Dan Winterland 7th May 2010 05:18

I have an old Victor B2 manual which desribes them as Port Outer, Port Inner, Starboard Inner and Starboard Outer. When I flew it as the K2, they were referred to as 1,2,3 and 4.


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