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BOAC 20th May 2007 18:16

Some people have all the luck, GK!

GK430 21st May 2007 00:32

Cheers BOAC - +31c nearly all day and 130/10 - very pleasant.
If i can get my hands on a plane at St. Barth's tomorrow...might even get TNCM in the logbook.
Ringway Sam - Been forecasting showers nearly everyday - only a light one this p.m late - it's few at about 3,000 or CAVOK nearly the whole time.
Brilliant ATCO's last two days - really busy and they handle App/Twr/Gnd incl delivery...Nuts!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...e-jetblast.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ne-Corsair.jpg
front r/h seat please:D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ircaraibes.jpg

GK430 22nd May 2007 02:47

Ringway Sam
Last two KLM flights op by MD-11. Hope you won't be disappointed!
Still sunny;)

BOAC 22nd May 2007 07:23

Spoilsport here!

While we have enjoyed the pictures on this thread (some of the non-aircraft ones I have 'removed' and use as desktop wallpaper:)) the thread is in danger of overload with images and should not be used to pass personal messages etc. Please use the PM system or email for those.

It should also be restricted to pictures of relevance and I have decided that cockpit pictures of steely-eyed/lantern-jawed aces creaming their pursuit-ship aound the islands are not relevant. Pictures of dusky-eyed beauties with significant terrain are reserved solely for moderator use.

I have therefore edited this post, and ask that posters exercise a little restraint while using up our expensive server space.

Be aware that future posts may well be edited and the thread even closed if we have enough 'coverage'.

As always, editorial/referee decisions rule and PPRune Pop and I will always be right!:ok:

GK430 22nd May 2007 14:29

Hi Spoilsport,
W'ere chilled on the beach, no worries:cool:
Just realised who this might have been last evening, nearly didn't bother with the camera but it was first Brit registered plane I have seen here in several visits
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...tes/G-GALX.jpg
ModeratorsARE Always right!Right!

A little RED Hawk, but now.....
FYI It was a little red Gnat, but yer pushin' yer luck, me old:)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...es/Convair.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...s/pprune-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...prune-shed.jpg

GK - this thread is in danger of being closed. Is that what you want? - 'Nuff said?

chevvron 24th May 2007 19:14

Hmm that Falcon 900 looks familiar; now where have I seen it before? Oh god I just looked out the window!

GK430 25th May 2007 09:31

Well we all know where it was last night then. Missed him getting his ATC clearance - did he arrive dct from TNCM?
Nobody noticed the sticker on the nose - we were all looking at the tail and thought maybe Glaxo had a new plane:confused:
Mind you, it was getting late after a few beers to stay cool:=

Seen a Challenger VP-BJA outside and below your perch? It departed to LEMD dct with a very anglicised voice!

RingwaySam 3rd Jun 2007 11:32

Nice shots GK, just got back yesterday - Departure out of SXM in the MD-11 was so impressive! :eek:

Here are a few shots, the Spirit I was on the Sonesta roof -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._A319_TNCM.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...5_752_TNCM.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...I_DH8_TNCM.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...A_752_TNCM.jpg

St. Barths -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...S_ISL_TFFJ.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...CAR_TFFJ_1.jpg

BOAC 3rd Jun 2007 11:51

I've been chatting with the 'venerable' PPRune Pop and we both agree this thread is becoming somewhat 'circular' in that we are getting pic after pic of another aircraft in the same position etc.

We are closing it for a while since we do not feel there is anything more to see there at the moment. If anyone has a real 'stunning' shot (NB of AN AIRCRAFT:)) feel free to PM us with a link and we'll decide whether it merits posting.

TotalBeginner 24th Aug 2007 17:44

Is this real?
 
Is this real?

FlyerFoto 24th Aug 2007 18:01

Certainly is - just put SXM in the Airliners.net search and have a look at some of the other pics - a little lower than most, but there are some pretty scary ones on there!

airside 3rd Jan 2008 12:29

Skiathos Airport (LGSK)
 
Hi all,
Here is a shot from the “Greek St. Maarten”…
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=705953
By the way, one question. How much runway is required (ASDA) for a full B737-700 route LGSK-EGCC with 38C?
Happy new year to all.
Elliott

pipertommy 4th Jan 2008 07:38

Heres more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYiV9c2HQqw

Phil Space 4th Feb 2008 01:49

What about this for a close approach
 
Amazing photo or what?
From the UK Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1811 What is the "special licence" refered to?
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...02_600x703.jpg
Clearing the vehicles below by the narrowest of margins, a plane swoops in to land at one of the world's most dramatic airstrips.


Although the clearance is supposed to be 20ft, the scooter riders and car driver take no chances and duck for their own safety.


Pilots need a special licence to land at the strip on the island of Saint-Barthélemy, or St Barts, in the French West Indies.

SeldomFixit 4th Feb 2008 02:17

A special licence to use Photo Shop would be more appropriate :bored:

CityofFlight 4th Feb 2008 02:17

I've vacationed there and it's amazing every time I see them come in.:eek:

con-pilot 4th Feb 2008 02:23


A special licence to use Photo Shop would be more appropriate
Sorry, no Photo Shop involved here, I've been there.

(Came by boat, I ain't stupid.)

xetroV 4th Feb 2008 02:38

No Photoshop, just an ordinary landing at St. Barthelemy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqOo0Qol89o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdp_dAGOF-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL_GAXDVyIE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RREPUdo-ccg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXaoFERHyUU

They apparantly moved the road a bit, to provide a little more headroom (the above movies show both the old and new road). :}

Dutch1911 4th Feb 2008 02:39

Been there, with my own boat. Dfinetly not a photoshop job.

soggy_cabbage 4th Feb 2008 02:57

Really laughing at this one!
 

Sorry, no Photo Shop involved here, I've been there
I have absolutely nothing to do with aviation. I have seen aircraft flying over me and always wondered how heavier than air flight was possible.

I have seen a few motorbikes pass me by....

In my humble opinion the motorbike on the left of that picture has a flat tyre.


Not to mention "macho man" is hunched over while parked on the hard shoulder.

Now, I hope the aviation professionals can point out that the aircraft was not configured for landing. Granted the wheels were down but.....

xetroV 4th Feb 2008 03:05


Originally Posted by soggy_cabbage
Now, I hope the aviation professionals can point out that the aircraft was not configured for landing.

It was. :cool: You did watch the YouTube movies (2 posts above yours) before replying, didn't you?

Same aircraft, same airfield, different day:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-C...and/1003526/L/

soggy_cabbage 4th Feb 2008 03:13

Yep!!
 
I watched all the youtube stuff before replying.

Did you notice the missing part of the motorbike?

Partof the picture was "messed" with. From that I dis-trust the rest of it.

:hmm:

CityofFlight 4th Feb 2008 03:14

Soggy cabbage...you're incorrect. :=

People do stop on along the shoulder to watch aircraft come in. The approach is an everyday occurence, althought this guy was lower than most. Several roads from various sides of the island converge at the top of this small mountain, which just happens to be the point of approaching a/c before they have to do a quick descent onto the airstrip at the bottom. I've never seen an approach on the opposite end, so my guess is there's one way in and one way out.

soggy_cabbage 4th Feb 2008 03:20

CityofFlight,

O.K. you guys. I believe it!

I just told it as I saw it!

This photoshop or not issue can often be solved by looking at OTHER things totally unrelated to the dramatic subject that is the focus.

Either the bike on the left is photoshopped in or it has a really bad front wheel.

xetroV 4th Feb 2008 03:25

soggy_cabbage, you asked for an professional opinion and I gave you one. That airplane was properly configured for landing and that ground clearance was perhaps (hard to judge with a zoom lens) just a tiny bit low compared to most approaches over there. No Photoshop; the anomaly on the left side of the picture is probably just a case of bad cropping.

These are not Photoshopped either:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/WinAi...ada/1078333/L/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/WinAi...ada/1154022/L/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...ada/1053560/L/

CityofFlight 4th Feb 2008 03:27

Soggy...look at the shadows. They correspond completely.

soggy_cabbage 4th Feb 2008 03:50

All of a sudden you as a group trust the Daily Mail.

Well, as the image is not the raw image and it has been messed with by an Adobe application (read photoshop) we will never know, will we....

;)

Photon85 4th Feb 2008 03:51

kind of puts short field landing into another perspective =D

Brian Abraham 4th Feb 2008 03:53

Sorry. For me its got Photoshop written all over it, and watching the videos only reinforces that opinion. Perspective of the aircraft and its flight path relative to the car is a give away. And I'm familiar with the Caravan in a up close and personal kind of way. Sorry guys.


look at the shadows. They correspond completely
Don't know what shadows you're talking about.

soggy_cabbage 4th Feb 2008 04:21

If we are going to start nit-picking then there are a couple of other points to notice. (well three!)

1, Macho Man in the foreground is not looking at the aircraft. If it was that close I sure as hell would be!

2, Motorbike Guy, the one on the left with half a front wheel missing is staring straight ahead and escaping at high speed with his foot on the ground. (um his foot is missing a few toes just like his front wheel is missing a chunk)

3, The shutter speed of the camera was so fast that all three vehicles on the ground had their wheels frozen in time as they sped at great speed away from disaster.

Meanwhile, the prop on the doomed aircraft was spinning so fast it was not even a blur.....

(O.K. there is a darker patch just over the left MLG wheel)

Max Tow 4th Feb 2008 04:59

I'm with the sceptics. Shadows of vehicles seem to run from foreground back to horizon but v.v. on aircraft (see strut shadow on fuselage cargo pod)....

stevef 4th Feb 2008 05:09

I've done the odd bit of PaintShop Pro image manipulation and what Soggy says is reasonable in my experience. Further to that, if you enlarge the picture and look at the trees between the right main-gear and cargo pod, there's evidence of clone brushing. The delineation of the mountains on the right isn't as sharp as elsewhere either.

Bobbsy 4th Feb 2008 05:09

After reading this thread and looking at the various pictures and videos, I got curious, downloaded the photo, and had a really close look at it (ironically, in Photoshop). I have to agree with soggy_cabbage: there's very strong evidence that this particular picture has been, er, enhanced.

As mentioned, the left hand motorbike is missing half it's front wheel, part of the rider's foot...and, looked at critically, the line of the hedge (where it crosses the white building in the distance, is wrong.

Around the plane there are several areas where the blur/smudge tool has been used, usually a sign of covering up mismatched edges after some cut and paste: above the left main gear strut (which is also slightly darker than the surrounding area, on the fuselage just aft of the left wing and again on the fuselage near the right hand main gear strut.

Part of the rear view mirror on the foreground motorbike is missing, as is a bit of the rider's back just on his belt line.

I'd say that they've taken an already spectacular approach and moved things around/added foreground elements to make it even more outrageous.

Bobbsy

Max Tow 4th Feb 2008 05:23

Bobbsy remarks:
"I'd say that they've taken an already spectacular approach and moved things around/added foreground elements to make it even more outrageous."

That might be a fair definition of how tabloid journalism works!

Bobbsy 4th Feb 2008 05:29

Nah, Max Tow: tabloid journalism takes the totally mundane and tries to make a story out of it without any regard for reality!

Bobbsy

Guptar 4th Feb 2008 05:37

Is there any special approval required for a private aircraft to be taken into St Barts.

High on my list of airports to do.

JEM60 4th Feb 2008 05:49

Agree with most. This is definitely a fake in my opinion. I am not a photographer, but it somehow itjust doesn't look right. I have always believed the St Maarten pictures, simply because they LOOK natural, and, in fact I visited there in December, and can confirm that they are. This is NOT real.

JEM60 4th Feb 2008 05:55

Also, a point that nobody else seems to have picked up is that the scooter in the foreground is obviously moving. The rider has his feet on the footrests, he is on a dirt come gravel piece of track, but WHERE IS THE DUST from the back wheel.!!!

Photon85 4th Feb 2008 06:21

this isn't a valid point at all, if you actually look at the scooter in the foreground you would see that the bipod support thing is extended under the scooter

cwatters 4th Feb 2008 07:18

I'd like to know how the plane can possibly miss the car? That's the give away for me.


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