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cavortingcheetah 22nd Jul 2006 06:27

:hmm:

Sandblasting the Sunbathers?

What on earth is wrong with this well executed little biddy short field landing and wherein lies the illegality?
I have no doubt that, due to high speed inbound traffic behind him, The Flying Dutchman was trying to make the high speed exit and an expeditious turn off!:cool:

Pilot Pete 22nd Jul 2006 07:05

The view from the flightdeck must have been 'interesting'. What instrument approach does that runway have (if any)? If it is an ILS then they must surely have been well below the glideslope.

PP

EGLD 22nd Jul 2006 10:08

My point is, there's a reason you can't get this close to the threshold at any other airport with 747's landing, is it overlooked with St.Maarten because there is no option, and the revenue from Jumbo's full of passengers is too much to lose?

747's passing just feet overhead of cars and pedestrians doesn't seem right to me

http://images1.jetphotos.net/images/....jpg.17822.jpg

PPRuNe Pop 22nd Jul 2006 11:47

I agree with BOAC. It is silly season on St Maarten. These pics appear almost with monotonous regularity. As he says, use search and you will find them. This thread is really unnecessary but we will leave it for a while.

MarcJF 22nd Jul 2006 12:16

This pic can't be real, can it? Landing so close to the start of the runway, there are no tyre marks etc.

Capt Claret 22nd Jul 2006 12:16

Is it going to make the threshhold?

A2QFI 22nd Jul 2006 12:24

I am no expert but the first picture has a look of a montage or some sort of Photoshop manipulation. The 2nd one the photographer is standing on a very solid looking structure which looks dangerously close to the runway. The a/c's port wingtip is only just clearing it. Presumably it must be legal but it doesn't look safe - to me

chevvron 22nd Jul 2006 12:34

It's a hotel you idiot!

Superpilot 22nd Jul 2006 22:28

The photo is real. It was taken by a respected photographer and posted on Airliners.net. The landing is one of closest (to the fence) ever. The PIC lands it extremely short of the numbers. More here: http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...ages=117&page=

Felix Saddler 22nd Jul 2006 22:41

you gotta have some balls to stand over by that fence.

DHC6tropics 23rd Jul 2006 22:21

Considering that KLM's skid marks are now the first set of tire marks on the runway and are well before the threshold (I will take a pic if ppl want when I get back to work)...This was an EXTREMELY early touchdown. I wouldn't dare land that short and I fly a plane a fraction of the size.

This pic actually shows the exact point where the left main touches the ground (and the other mains shortly after). It corresponds with the exact place that the tire marks start. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1078774/M/

Kestrel_909 23rd Jul 2006 23:18

Always some amusing responses when people see St.Maarten photos for the first time. Yes it is real, yes they do come in low but this was a tad lower than most and touched down short of the threshold.

Rainboe 23rd Jul 2006 23:54

The main gear looks just a few feet off the tarmac, so it must have passed VERY close to the guy bending over behind the fence. He must have come very close to being decapitated or the 747 was descending very steeply for an almighty touchdown- I would guess he's evacuating his digestive system bending over like that! Still having trouble visualising this- the guy is under the APU, yet the wheels are about to hit the under-run area. Even after 18 years flying 747s, I could never judge it this fine. Definitley an interview in the Flight Managers' Office!

perkin 24th Jul 2006 00:09


Originally Posted by Rainboe
I could never judge it this fine. Definitley an interview in the Flight Managers' Office!

Is this an instance would a go-around and another attempt would have been more appropriate, or is it a very difficult one to call at this location, given that it seems its a visual approach as no ILS here? Surely the PF must, however, have known he/she was heading towards a short touchdown, or is there a certain point on the approach when its too late to call a GA? KL crew should be pretty familiar with this place tho, no?

aw8565 24th Jul 2006 06:39

Standing by the fence on landing is bad, but takeoff must be worse...!

Check out this video from ebaumsworld. Also gives a good indication just how short that landing was! And yes those are people being blown into the sea! I think it was filmed from the same spot the photo was taken also....

http://ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/planeblow.html

Nozzer 24th Jul 2006 14:22

What brought about the change of mind?
 
This thread was closed on Saturday!!

It's definitely a fix. There's no vestage of shade or shadow under the aircraft, and unless it's totally transparent that would be extremely difficult to achieve!

Groundloop 24th Jul 2006 14:37


Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah
:hmm:

What on earth is wrong with this well executed little biddy short field landing and wherein lies the illegality?

The illegality lies in the fact that the section of runway BEFORE the white threshold line is NOT licensed for landing. And it is illegal to land a public transport aircraft on an unlicensed runway.

EGLD 24th Jul 2006 21:45


Originally Posted by Kestrel_909
Always some amusing responses when people see St.Maarten photos for the first time. Yes it is real, yes they do come in low but this was a tad lower than most and touched down short of the threshold.

It's not the first time I've seen St.Maarten photos, and I know that approach is low, but the original thread starting question still stands, even with a normal landing

Is it safe?

EGLF_base 25th Jul 2006 03:30


Originally Posted by PPRuNe Pop
I agree with BOAC. It is silly season on St Maarten. These pics appear almost with monotonous regularity. As he says, use search and you will find them. This thread is really unnecessary but we will leave it for a while.

true enough... all to much about the pictures of the landings...

how about this video of a take off...

Edit: That link locked up my computer! :ouch:

GK430 25th Jul 2006 08:34

There is no ILS on Rwy 09 (nor 27).
I will try and post another pic later today, (see some on the sticky thread) but west of the airfield boundary fence there is a small twin track road, a thin low concrete buffer to keep the sand off the road and then the beach. The sand on the extended rwy c/l is lower than the remaining level of the beach left & right of centre - it gets blown away and even behind 75 deps the sea ripples for a good 100+ metres.

There is no traffic control on the road - fortunately, apart from the odd school bus, it is lighlt trafficked by cars/4 x 4's.

The "heavies" backtrack full length and the power starts being applied on the turn - and despite the brainless hanging on to the fence.....it is wise to take serious cover away from the jetblast.
Warning signs abound!

Watch Lear Jet arrivals in particular - very flat. As for DHC6tropics - I got one shot where I could just about touch the gear - but hey, you floated.....

There are so many options for photographic locations. There are two timeshare blocks seen in the background of most SXM pics and the Sonesta Hotel resort further back. You can look down on the runway from several vantage points.

Looking forward to my next trip:D


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