Why pilots are paid so much
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Why pilots are paid so much
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To those contributiors on this forum who claim pilots are nothing more that over-paid bus drivers I would recommend that you go to the above link and download the video.
Perhaps you will then realise why airline pilots are paid so well!
To those contributiors on this forum who claim pilots are nothing more that over-paid bus drivers I would recommend that you go to the above link and download the video.
Perhaps you will then realise why airline pilots are paid so well!
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That's what happens when you build an aircraft carrier like runway at the bottom of a steep bump in a very breezy bit of the world and then try and land on it on bad day!
The ferry trip from Porto Santo must have been "sporting" that day tpoo.
The ferry trip from Porto Santo must have been "sporting" that day tpoo.
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From what I can see, it's Lisbon rwy 21, which, as far as I know, still has over 3800m (or 12000' to all the oldies) of decent tarmac.
However, with that wind, i'd like a bit more too!
Aircraft carrier like runway
From what I can see, it's Lisbon rwy 21, which, as far as I know, still has over 3800m (or 12000' to all the oldies) of decent tarmac.
However, with that wind, i'd like a bit more too!
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In my next life, if I don't come back as a gecko, I would like to :
1. Earn as much as my friends thought I did.
2. Have as much time off as my neighbours thought I did.
3. Have as much sex down route as my wife thought I did.
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1. Earn as much as my friends thought I did.
2. Have as much time off as my neighbours thought I did.
3. Have as much sex down route as my wife thought I did.
MG
Life's a beach and then the tide comes in ...
Edited for spelling of gecko
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This video clip provides a chilling insight into the A320 family control characteristics (particularly in roll) when operating in ‘normal law’ in limiting crosswinds with significant gusts. This airliner is the only one that has truly frightened me in these conditions, my previous handling experience being limited to B737 and B777 aircraft. (The crosswind limits are of a lower value on Airbus than Boeing)
In my experience the handling of the aircraft bears no resemblance to the experience one finds in the simulator. My company has had several ‘interesting’ approaches with the Bus resulting in contact with Airbus Industrie. Airbus Industrie apparently state that there is nothing wrong with the design of their flight control software and furthermore the ‘interesting’ approaches must be due to poor handling skills on behalf of the Pilot. To be fair to Airbus they did admit to pitch problems sometime back, this after several very hard landing events one of which resulted in serious damage to an aircraft in Bilbao.
Fine, I’m going back to Boeing just as soon as I can. I’ll miss that snazzy little pull out meal tray though!
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Exeng
In my experience the handling of the aircraft bears no resemblance to the experience one finds in the simulator. My company has had several ‘interesting’ approaches with the Bus resulting in contact with Airbus Industrie. Airbus Industrie apparently state that there is nothing wrong with the design of their flight control software and furthermore the ‘interesting’ approaches must be due to poor handling skills on behalf of the Pilot. To be fair to Airbus they did admit to pitch problems sometime back, this after several very hard landing events one of which resulted in serious damage to an aircraft in Bilbao.
Fine, I’m going back to Boeing just as soon as I can. I’ll miss that snazzy little pull out meal tray though!
Regards
Exeng
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Paid so much? Hell we must be kidding.
Guy lives next door in a beautiful 19th century house, just extended by about a third - lots of land and the latest car(s) outside. He is a city trader and his annual bonuses are more than my annual gross salary plus flight pay. Well, he's had enough and has retired.
He is 35 years of age.
Guy lives next door in a beautiful 19th century house, just extended by about a third - lots of land and the latest car(s) outside. He is a city trader and his annual bonuses are more than my annual gross salary plus flight pay. Well, he's had enough and has retired.
He is 35 years of age.
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the majority of you get a lot more than I do, and I stop you banging into each other in these overcrowded skies.
Hey, maybe oneday someone will realise my real worth and pay me a decent salary, how about Radar time when I'm sat at the screen looking at all the blips, thinking 30, 50, 100 miles ahead, climbing, descending, turning making sure I've got the required separation, and then after I think it's all ok, another load come in and I do the same.
If only it were that easy
I think pilots do a great job, 95% of the time I think you are just systems monitors, take-off and landing you earn some of your money.
The true value of a pilot comes when the proverbial hits the fan and you need someone up there thaty can actually "FLY".
Hey, maybe oneday someone will realise my real worth and pay me a decent salary, how about Radar time when I'm sat at the screen looking at all the blips, thinking 30, 50, 100 miles ahead, climbing, descending, turning making sure I've got the required separation, and then after I think it's all ok, another load come in and I do the same.
If only it were that easy
I think pilots do a great job, 95% of the time I think you are just systems monitors, take-off and landing you earn some of your money.
The true value of a pilot comes when the proverbial hits the fan and you need someone up there thaty can actually "FLY".
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Just of of interest how often would conditions like this be encountered in a typical year - and how often would an incident like this (where a crash is narrowly averted) occur?
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The true value of a pilot comes when the proverbial hits the fan and you need someone up there thaty can actually "FLY".
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Sorry to disagree, but I have never experienced that sort of undamped roll in the Airbus. I did experience it twice on the 757. The first time it suddenly dropped a wing near the flare and in trying to level the aircraft it dropped the other wing. This happened about three times and the landing (mercifully on both wheels at the same time) intervened to prevent further departures.
Go-around? Would love to have done but by the time the engines were spooling up-it was all over.
The second time was on the approach when a gentle roll in either direction developed despite my inputs. It soon however seemed to damp itself and was merely interesting.
There was a Spanish operator who had the same 757 event going into TFS and managed to go-around, but clipped the fuselage under the tail. It was said that the FDR indicated that had he not elected to go-around, he could have dug a wing tip in.
I have thought about my nasty for years and considered all the possibilities including PIO, but without coming to a conclusion.
Go-around? Would love to have done but by the time the engines were spooling up-it was all over.
The second time was on the approach when a gentle roll in either direction developed despite my inputs. It soon however seemed to damp itself and was merely interesting.
There was a Spanish operator who had the same 757 event going into TFS and managed to go-around, but clipped the fuselage under the tail. It was said that the FDR indicated that had he not elected to go-around, he could have dug a wing tip in.
I have thought about my nasty for years and considered all the possibilities including PIO, but without coming to a conclusion.
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Lou, may sound obvious but was there a preceding aircraft? I was once landing at ORY on a flat calm beautiful summer morning. The previous landing A/C (an A320) had been 7nm ahead on the approach, and there had not been a ripple. As I flared, all hell broke lose in roll and I was compelled to use really gross aileron inputs both ways until, as so eloquently put earlier, "the landing intervened" and we subsided onto the earth in a flurry of feathers.
Medium following a medium with 7 miles between would not have alerted me to a potential wake-turbulence encounter.
Does now though.
Medium following a medium with 7 miles between would not have alerted me to a potential wake-turbulence encounter.
Does now though.
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2 thoughts:
1. Those pilots just barely escaped disaster by waiting sooo long with going around, really pretty scary
2. I've flown the 320 family in some pretty weird conditions, initiated a GA a few times, but such roll-manoeuvers don't occur not even in the most wild circumstances, if you understand the Airbus logic and let the aircraft sort out the gusts, and you steering the main thing. A trainer not long ago compared the 320 with a horse carriage: you only tell were you want to go, and the horses will pull the cart for you and correct for bumps in the road.
The short film looks like 99% PIO to me. And then 1% bad airmanship.
And maybe even 0,01% of pure luck?
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1. Those pilots just barely escaped disaster by waiting sooo long with going around, really pretty scary
2. I've flown the 320 family in some pretty weird conditions, initiated a GA a few times, but such roll-manoeuvers don't occur not even in the most wild circumstances, if you understand the Airbus logic and let the aircraft sort out the gusts, and you steering the main thing. A trainer not long ago compared the 320 with a horse carriage: you only tell were you want to go, and the horses will pull the cart for you and correct for bumps in the road.
The short film looks like 99% PIO to me. And then 1% bad airmanship.
And maybe even 0,01% of pure luck?
P77