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Access to private airfields.

Old 15th May 2024, 12:51
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Access to private airfields.

Recently, an aircraft I own a share in was damaged while parked in it's hangar. It appears to have been cause by someone walking into the tow-bar attached to the tailwheel which hit the elevator, maybe while taking photographs. . The syndicate owner who parked the aircraft last discovered the damage three days later when he next planned to fly. The aircraft shares a hangar with five others, none of the other owners went near our aircraft and the engineers had not been to it either. We consider a likely scenario is that a visitor to the airfield walked into it. Photographers were seen in the hangar while the doors were left open over those three days. This airfield hosts mainly vintage aircraft and ours shares a hangar with five other vintage and rare types. The airfield attracts a lot of attention from enthusiasts and the airfield management does not discourage them, despite the airfield being private property. Apart from the cost, there is a significant flight safety issue here. The damage was significant and obvious in this case, so the pilot next to fly it would have seen it on the next pre-flight inspection. But if it had been slight, it could have gone unnoticed. Also, the aircraft will be out of action for several weeks and it will now not appear in an air-show scheduled for it.

May I ask enthusiasts that if you want to take photographs, you make yourselves known and ask permission first. You should not go into hangars without it, and take great care if it is given. You should not walk backwards to frame a shot without looking behind you. And if you do have an accident, report it! This unfortunate event will certainly result in some management action. Bear in mind that many airfields are privately owned and you may be trespassing if visiting without permission. Our airfield has clear notices telling visitors that it is private property and that the airfield environment is out of bounds for safety reasons. The airfield has not banned enthusiasts yet, but any further inconsiderate acts may result in action that will spoil it for all.

Also, may I ask anyone reading this who is a member of air enthusiast forums on other web sites to copy and paste this message on those.

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Old 15th May 2024, 13:39
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So sorry to hear this Dan.

As a teenage and early twenties "spotter" in the 1970s/80s it was always a pleasure to be allowed round hangars, particularly those with interesting residents - permission was always sought, and mostly given along with the admonition "don't touch anything!" The exception to that last comment was the late Michael Jones at the Tiger Club who knew that there was no need; maybe he could tell proper enthusiasts from reggie tickers. The only time I recall somebody colliding with an aircraft in the hangar, it was a bloke my mate kindly gave a lift to at Biggin Hill; ATS let us wander round their hangar, he walked into the trailing edge of a 172's aileron - the only damage was to his dignity and a row of diamond cuts on his forehead from the flutes on the aileron. I guess being around light aircraft and gliders from a very early age with my father drummed into me the reasons for taking care of other people's property.

I do hope your aeroplane is back in action quickly.
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So sorry to hear this Dan.

As a teenage and early twenties "spotter" in the 1970s/80s it was always a pleasure to be allowed round hangars, particularly those with interesting residents - permission was always sought, and mostly given along with the admonition "don't touch anything!" The exception to that last comment was the late Michael Jones at the Tiger Club who knew that there was no need; maybe he could tell proper enthusiasts from reggie tickers. The only time I recall somebody colliding with an aircraft in the hangar, it was a bloke my mate kindly gave a lift to at Biggin Hill; ATS let us wander round their hangar, he walked into the trailing edge of a 172's aileron - the only damage was to his dignity and a row of diamond cuts on his forehead from the flutes on the aileron. I guess being around light aircraft and gliders from a very early age with my father drummed into me the reasons for taking care of other people's property.

I do hope your aeroplane is back in action quickly.
Going back a decade when the Tiger Club were at Redhill, remember in my spotting days the pale blue signs on every entrance”Aircraft spotters not admitted”! As with many other aerodromes, didn’t take heed, never got thrown out.
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From my experience at my nearest airfield, it’s just as likely to have been scrotes looking for something to steal.

A while back, thieves took all the fuel from parked light aircraft. As bad as the fuel theft itself was, the filler caps were left off, allowing rainwater to get into the tanks. Extra security had to be installed, more secure fencing, gates, shutters, cameras, the lot.

Same airfield, the bare airframe of a vintage Auster was undergoing restoration and awaiting re-covering. It was placed carefully by the sidewall inside a hangar, resting on trestles. It was knocked off, causing some of its tubing to get bent, then was put back, by persons unknown who chose not to report it.
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
Going back a decade when the Tiger Club were at Redhill, remember in my spotting days the pale blue signs on every entrance”Aircraft spotters not admitted”! As with many other aerodromes, didn’t take heed, never got thrown out.
I do recall those notices - one was by the bike racks which were alongside the Tiger Club's back door! Ah, that hangar...
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Nowadays there are people stealing whole engines, pricipally 'Rotax, plus electronic instrument displays.
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The spotter and enthusiast is an easy target to blame.
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There's also the "Urban Explorer" brigade. A century 21 euphemism for trespasser, which legally is a "civil matter" so the property owner is next to powerless ( and the trespassers know it). If they do damage, then it becomes criminal, but good luck proving it to the level of proof required in a court of law.
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There's also the "Urban Explorer" brigade. A century 21 euphemism for trespasser, which legally is a "civil matter" so the property owner is next to powerless ( and the trespassers know it). If they do damage, then it becomes criminal, but good luck proving it to the level of proof required in a court of law.
Trespass on a licensed aerodrome is not a purely civil matter.
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Originally Posted by Abrahn
Trespass on a licensed aerodrome is not a purely civil matter.
If you say so..... Doesn't say licensed airfield in the OP does it? Also the burden of proof still stands.
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