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Airlines stop serving alcohol

Old 16th Jun 2020, 18:36
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Airlines stop serving alcohol

According CNN several airlines are not serving alcohol during the Covid19 restart.
One can only presume that this is to keep the pax in line.
It took a virus to achieve something which was long overdue - a flight with no unruly pax...

Airlines ban alcohol on planes in response to Covid-19
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/alcohol-ban-airlines-covid-19/index.html
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 18:48
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It took a virus to achieve something which was long overdue - a flight with no unruly pax...
As far as I can remember the most unruly passengers have always been those who were refused to get their drinks served...
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As far as I can remember the most unruly passengers have always been those who were refused to get their drinks served...
Sort of: Chicken and Egg?
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 19:01
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No doubt the dozy tw#£s will simply start chugging the hand gel.....much more potent!
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 19:15
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Delta has indicated it's stopping nearly all beverage service aside from water in order to minimize person to person contact between passengers and staff. Basically the FA just hands you a bottle of water.
So it's not just booze.
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Originally Posted by a5in_the_sim View Post
No doubt the dozy tw#£s will simply start chugging the hand gel.....much more potent!
Alcohol gel? Surely unsafe in a confined areaÖisnít this DAC?
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Call me boring, but I've never seen the point in drinking alcohol whilst flying. You can't really enjoy it (though perhaps 1st class is another story), due to the flying experience. Add to that it dehydrates you thus making the effects of jet-lag worse, possibly ruining the first day or so of one's trip. Better to wait until at the destination as far as I'm concerned.
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Call me boring, but I've never seen the point in drinking alcohol whilst flying. You can't really enjoy it (though perhaps 1st class is another story), due to the flying experience. Add to that it dehydrates you thus making the effects of jet-lag worse, possibly ruining the first day or so of one's trip. Better to wait until at the destination as far as I'm concerned.
I wouldnít want to judge you as boring, but for many people that first g&t or glass of wine on the aeroplane marks a massive destress point and says yes your holiday has begun!!!!

If you are a hardcore business traveller I can see the endless food, alcohol and attention can get a bit much. Hasnít happened to me yet and since you are always jet lagged at the other end (if only from the stress of the security/ airport/ checking in /timings / weather/ threat of delay/ how much you paid for your seat compared to every one else/ will my baggage fit in the cabin/will my baggage arrive at all) you need a good stiffener to make any of it seem like fun.
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Call me boring, but I've never seen the point in drinking alcohol whilst flying. You can't really enjoy it (though perhaps 1st class is another story), due to the flying experience. Add to that it dehydrates you thus making the effects of jet-lag worse, possibly ruining the first day or so of one's trip. Better to wait until at the destination as far as I'm concerned.
I seldom imbibe when I'm in coach. However I have a tough time sleeping when traveling (car, train, bus, aircraft - doesn't much matter). So on long flights when I'm in first/business class, a few drinks early in the flight helps me relax and get a little sleep.
I'm scheduled to fly to the other Washington in September - in first class. I'm going to be a rather bummed if all I can get to eat and drink on a six hour flight in first class is water and a box lunch...
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Many years ago after my retired parents had returned from a holiday I enquired of my mother how their flight had been and all my mother could remark upon was that the meal hadn't been very good, that is how many of the general public rate a flight, by the in-flight service, and for such a reason my favoured European airline is Swiss whilst, since they reduced the sizes of their beers from 330ml to 250ml, I would do my utmost to avoid the likes of KLM and Lufthansa, indeed at one point KLM stopped serving alcohol in European economy class to be inundated with so many complaints they reintroduced it and pretty damn quickly.

I recall when The Netherlands introduced the law of no smoking in all public buildings, Schiphol Airport lost so many passengers that Schiphol reintroduced smoking in designated areas in contravention of the national law.

In my location now one local airline, PAL Express, on their DHC8's they don't even have the facility on board to heat water and their idea of their advertised 'light snack' is a 330ml bottle of lukewarm water and, in a country that is addicted to sugar, a sticky bun or cake, regardless that the service is excrement I don't take sugar so will only utilise this airline for the shortest of hops whilst preferring to utilise a LoCo where at least I can buy a sandwich and a hot or cold drink.

Once on board the crew should be able to control passenger drinking but so often the problem has been passengers getting sh1tfaced in the terminal before boarding, who recalls the TV airport programmes where late passengers were regularly being hauled out of the airport bars.

I can't envisage that the LoCo's and others are going to stop serving food and drink, after all this is how the LoCo's make their money, this could be just a cost saving exercise much the same as when KLM and Lufthansa, to name but two, economised by reducing the sizes of their beers, all passengers are likely to do is, as I myself do, shop around for which airlines offer the better in-flight service.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 12:43
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Many years ago after my retired parents had returned from a holiday I enquired of my mother how their flight had been and all my mother could remark upon was that the meal hadn't been very good, that is how many of the general public rate a flight, by the in-flight service, and for such a reason my favoured European airline is Swiss whilst, since they reduced the sizes of their beers from 330ml to 250ml, I would do my utmost to avoid the likes of KLM and Lufthansa, indeed at one point KLM stopped serving alcohol in European economy class to be inundated with so many complaints they reintroduced it and pretty damn quickly.

I recall when The Netherlands introduced the law of no smoking in all public buildings, Schiphol Airport lost so many passengers that Schiphol reintroduced smoking in designated areas in contravention of the national law.

In my location now one local airline, PAL Express, on their DHC8's they don't even have the facility on board to heat water and their idea of their advertised 'light snack' is a 330ml bottle of lukewarm water and, in a country that is addicted to sugar, a sticky bun or cake, regardless that the service is excrement I don't take sugar so will only utilise this airline for the shortest of hops whilst preferring to utilise a LoCo where at least I can buy a sandwich and a hot or cold drink.

Once on board the crew should be able to control passenger drinking but so often the problem has been passengers getting sh1tfaced in the terminal before boarding, who recalls the TV airport programmes where late passengers were regularly being hauled out of the airport bars.

I can't envisage that the LoCo's and others are going to stop serving food and drink, after all this is how the LoCo's make their money, this could be just a cost saving exercise much the same as when KLM and Lufthansa, to name but two, economised by reducing the sizes of their beers, all passengers are likely to do is, as I myself do, shop around for which airlines offer the better in-flight service.
As a matter of fact, low cost carriers donít make their money by selling alcohol - in fact to begin with, easyJet contracted its catering out to a third party - which compensated by, amongst other things, providing the on board magazine.
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As a matter of fact, low cost carriers donít make their money by selling alcohol - in fact to begin with, easyJet contracted its catering out to a third party - which compensated by, amongst other things, providing the on board magazine.
Many an airline pays cabin crew salaries from in-flight sales profits, OK I'm going back some 30 years but in the NWI bonded stare a litre of spirit cost around £1 and the airline would sell it, supposed duty free, for around £7 or £8.

I recall one employer, all the miniatures of spirits were provided free merely for the advertising but the airline would sell them for a handsome figure.
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.............. if the sale of alcohol (and other inflight products) is now being impacted, it is primarily for health reasons, which seems completely reasonable, for the safety of the passengers, cabin crew and the professionals who make, package and deliver these items.

Now if the bars airside at airports could also be closed (for health and safety reasons), it would make flying a lot more pleasant and safe for cabin crew, gate staff, and the majority of the passengers.
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Apart from the big hubs like LHR/ Amsterdam etc most regional airports make most of their money from parking/ food and beverage and lastly landing fees. I have never been involved with running airports only building them but Mrs Mac has looked after some regional UK airports at senior management level, and that what she told me when she was doing this around 2012. I do not think anything has changed markedly since then. Indeed they used to strive to get flights to the Canaries due to the advantageous Duty Free allowances on those flights which impacted on the shops profits.

As for drinking onboard, I am sorry but I like my G&T and wine with my meal and would miss it, but we are talking business travel mostly, and even going down to the Med or for a city break, I would not have a drink until lunchtime. I do not understand how you can drink pints at 6.00am !
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Mr Mac I have no quarrel with the points you raise ....a nice glass of wine or a g and t on a medium haul flight or a tomato juice at any time especially with Worcestershire Sauce! It's the early-morning pints of lager and beer and spirit chasers before the hour has reached double digits that seems unnecessary.
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Mr Mac I have no quarrel with the points you raise ....a nice glass of wine or a g and t on a medium haul flight or a tomato juice at any time especially with Worcestershire Sauce! It's the early-morning pints of lager and beer and spirit chasers before the hour has reached double digits that seems unnecessary.
I believe there is only one nation that labels beer as "lager" so you are speaking only of one nation and, even then, a very small minority of the air travellers of that nation, it's hardly a significant global problem!
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Harry, it is true that I was thinking of passengers using UK airports ... not specifically one nation! It may not be a significant global problem in the light of the present COVID-19 restrictions and procedures, but it is certainly significant for the cabin crew, gate agents,check-in staff and other passengers who have contact with those who have over-imbibed during their journey. Of course we are all aware that the purpose of cabin crew is the passengers' safety, and by withdrawing the purchase of alcoholic beverages before a certain time of day - might 10am GMT be considered reasonable? helps to level the playing field so that the cabin crew et al can do their jobs to their best potential without insensitive, boorish and unacceptable physical behaviour. It also makes for a pleasanter atmosphere for everyone else in the metal tube with no exit once airborne.
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Harry, it is true that I was thinking of passengers using UK airports ... not specifically one nation! It may not be a significant global problem in the light of the present COVID-19 restrictions and procedures, but it is certainly significant for the cabin crew, gate agents,check-in staff and other passengers who have contact with those who have over-imbibed during their journey. Of course we are all aware that the purpose of cabin crew is the passengers' safety, and by withdrawing the purchase of alcoholic beverages before a certain time of day - might 10am GMT be considered reasonable? helps to level the playing field so that the cabin crew et al can do their jobs to their best potential without insensitive, boorish and unacceptable physical behaviour. It also makes for a pleasanter atmosphere for everyone else in the metal tube with no exit once airborne.
Haven't you heard of 'bar commission', just ask pretty much any flight attendant, haven't you recognised their enthusiasm to get that cart out and sell drinks, cigarettes, cuddly toys and the rest of the in-flight sales garbage, it is likely that they are on around a 5% commission from the sales that they make.


I recall one flight HKG/ZRH, it was a midnight departure so the crew were anxious to get the service done PDQ after departure a steward came round with the drinks, I asked for a beer and he replied “Here, you can have two”, I'd been steadily drinking throughout the earlier evening to put myself to sleep so I wasn't exactly in a rush to drink these beers, then the meal was served before the steward came back round with another drinks service, I hadn't touched my first two beers before he served me another two, even after a subsequent few hours sleep I still had beers in my seat pocket.



Another flight I recall was LED/VIE, the steward offered me a choice of three brands of beer, umm'ing and arr'ing which beer to choose he handed me one beer as he joked “You can try the other ones later” … and I did!


Drunk & disorderly passengers is not a significant global problem regardless of COVID-19, I always remember an ex-Servisair workmate and friend of mine telling me that the cheaper the air fare then the worse the passengers even telling me of one Channel Islands passenger jumping over a check-in desk to fight with the check-in clerk, after he told me that I paid attention to recognise that he was right, the worst passengers to Spain are to the Balearics, to Greece then Corfu and don't even get me started on LoCo passengers to/from eastern European sex tourist destinations, I myself always endeavour to travel with legacy carriers where one meets a better class of drinker!


I was particularly impressed when I flew with Philippines Air Asia (Zest Air) SIN/CEB two years ago, for a LoCo not only were the crew and service excellent but all passengers were restricted to a maximum of 3 drinks each and if sat beside an emergency exit then no drinks at all, great idea so long as one is informed at check-in of no drinks beside an exit … Which somehow I doubt they are informed of.

Sure the cabin crew are primarily there for safety but with a captive audience, these days, for up to 18 hours no drinks is likely to have a worse effect than too many drinks, anger etc. is not necessarily alcohol related!

And as restricting the hours that drinks are served do you remember the days when pubs in England & Wales, of a lunchtime, were allowed to open 1030-1430 Monday thru Saturday but only 1200-1400 of a Sunday, it was a joke that wives would be at home cooking the Sunday dinner whilst the men were down the pub squeezing 4 hours of drinking in to just 2 hours and haven't they pretty much anti-socialised so called 'happy hours' to dissuade binge drinking?

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Old 27th Jun 2020, 08:01
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I like your points 18Greens. I hate when the pleasure of a drink or two is ruined because airlines like to save money or there are few incidents that airlines don't bother to prosecute correctly.
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