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Old 25th May 2020, 19:10
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Seems like the right move. Hope they make it through, for our profession and also selfishly for my vacations.
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Old 25th May 2020, 21:46
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All 14 A330s? Perhaps it’s more that MAN will be all A330, probably four based?
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Old 26th May 2020, 11:35
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I realise it's subject to change, but the flight to Montego Bay from Heathrow in January, says it's an A330-300.
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Old 26th May 2020, 13:04
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Well it would be surprising to see that many VS A330s at MAN, as there is quite a limited programme for about 5-6 A/C. That being said MAN is expecting 3 A330s over the next 3 days at atbout 1500.
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Old 26th May 2020, 13:20
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Regarding the immediate retirement of the 747s - I remember after 9/11 Virgin retired their fleet of 747-200s only to have to lease them back from Air Icelandic (?) when the predicted downturn wasn't quite as bad as predicted.
There's got to be a chance of history repeating itself here, surely ?
Here in the UK the lockdown seems to be slowly getting watered down. If this is reflected elsewhere and people are allowed to travel again perhaps they'll need the 747s back ?
A Farcebook group I'm in seems to be full of people who given the slightest chance will be off to Florida.
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Old 26th May 2020, 14:04
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Further to my last. I have flights booked to Orlando next April from Heathrow that I moved from this year. When I looked when they announced the new schedules it was down as a B787, it's now an A330-200.
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Old 26th May 2020, 14:08
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In 10/11 months time that Orlando flight operating aircraft may well change more than once.
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Old 26th May 2020, 16:55
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You're probably right!
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Old 27th May 2020, 11:26
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List of suitors for VS narrows...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...on-new-funding
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Old 28th May 2020, 02:48
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Originally Posted by 742-xx View Post
Regarding the immediate retirement of the 747s - I remember after 9/11 Virgin retired their fleet of 747-200s only to have to lease them back from Air Icelandic (?) when the predicted downturn wasn't quite as bad as predicted.
There's got to be a chance of history repeating itself here, surely ?
They were different aircraft. The retired aircraft were JT9 powered -200 (G-VIRG may have been the last one). The Air Atlanta lease ins were RR powered G-VCAT (?) and G-VRUM from memory......but get your point about unexpected recovery (hopefully) and under capacity to take advantage.
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Old 28th May 2020, 08:13
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Ah yes, RAT and SCUM, I remember them well!
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Old 28th May 2020, 16:54
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The B747-400 will be around a while longer.

The classics were going within 6 months...7 years later the last one left.
A full B747-400 to Orlando has the same operating cost as an A330.
BTW...the basic weight of an A340-600 is 179.2T and the B747-400 is 177.4T and carries more pax/freight.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 15:06
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Looks like the A330 doesn't feature in the recovery plan after all. it's going to be B787/A350 only and if you're not on one of those types it's looking very dodgy unless you happen to be in the top 90 of the seniority list. A total bloodbath for the pilots at Virgin Atlantic seems to be the most severe reaction plan so far from airline management. Let's hope the virus weakens and scientists discover a vaccine soon maybe then things pickup in aviation and people will be offered their jobs back.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 16:55
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Source? Source?
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 17:11
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I believe 330’s are to start flying later in the year when the flights pick up but as they say, never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 17:25
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Source? Source?
From an internal memo
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 17:31
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Count Von Altibar Quotes:

Looks like the A330 doesn't feature in the recovery plan after all. it's going to be B787/A350 only and if you're not on one of those types it's looking very dodgy unless you happen to be in the top 90 of the seniority list. A total bloodbath for the pilots at Virgin Atlantic seems to be the most severe reaction plan so far from airline management. Let's hope the virus weakens and scientists discover a vaccine soon maybe then things pickup in aviation and people will be offered their jobs back.
Yet again you're talking utter bo!!ox.

VAA are planning on 10 A330s when the market allows, and they have put on hold a number of A350 orders along with the NEOs due next year. Yes, times are so difficult for the pilots not in the 'safe zone' (along with many airlines). It really doesn't need false reporting from trolls like you who have only a small percentage of the information.

Looking back at your previous post from old, it looks like you applied for VAA and didn't get in...I wonder why?
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 18:10
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"A full B747-400 to Orlando has the same operating cost as an A330"
from the ad agency that brought you WIZZO WASHES WHITER
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 18:41
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Same cost

I don't think so..............10T/hr @ .86 vs 6T/hr @ .82
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 19:01
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"A full B747-400 to Orlando has the same operating cost as an A330"
Is this a per passenger calculation? And does it take into account cargo?
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