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EK17 done two attempts in Manchester- and now off to AMS

Old 9th Feb 2020, 15:01
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Exactly....too many armchair commentators
I could understand that comment if the thread were full of criticism of diversion decisions and Monday-morning quarterbacking. I can't see any evidence of that.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 15:13
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Exactly....too many armchair commentators
I could understand that comment if the thread were full of criticism of diversion decisions and Monday-morning quarterbacking. I can't see any evidence of that.
Exactly. I agree with Dave. Doesn't really matter what kind of chair the comments come from if they accurately describe an unusual day that many might just learn a little from, including some PPs. Today is of course, quite unusual over UK and near Europe. First we have had Atlantic jetstream assisted record 800+mph subsonic flights overnight, and now we are seeing multiple GAs and very long diversions away from several UK airfields (the types of diversion that can only be executed through a high standard of contingency planning before setting off).

...this looks like (was) another in progress, courtesy of Flightradar24.com

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Old 9th Feb 2020, 15:22
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what EK17, Dubai to Manchester is doing? It arrived in the Uk did a lot of holding, two attempts at Manchester and is now off to Europe, possibly Amsterdam but it’s very high compared to similar approaching aircraft
Well that might not be considered as armchair quarter backing but the language might be considered slightly loaded.......

I think the underlying grumble might be why single out any particular flight diverting on today of all days when there have been (I suspect, I have yet to count ) dozens of diversions.

Crews and ATC are working their socks off, and the reason for pretty much all of this is encapsulated in the TAFs and METARs for most airfields in north west Europe..


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Can an A380 handle higher crosswind than smaller planes?
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 15:49
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Well that might not be considered as armchair quarter backing but the language might be considered slightly loaded.......

I think the underlying grumble might be why single out any particular flight diverting on today of all days when there have been (I suspect, I have yet to count ) dozens of diversions.

Crews and ATC are working their socks off, and the reason for pretty much all of this is encapsulated in the TAFs and METARs for most airfields in north west Europe..
Speaking purely as SLF it is days like this that would otherwise terrify me that reassure me how safe flying really is because of the guys and girls in ATC and up front.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 16:06
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Let's not be too picky about language today. Yes crews and ATC no doubt are working their cotton socks off right now, and because it is to an unusual degree, we are all highlighting it behind the first unusual report. I see no flights are singled out for any criticisms ... I myself have pointed to three (all different airlines) with this further one that wasn't yet a diversion until a few minutes ago perhaps, after being beaten to final approach clearance by another inbound sister-ship, whilst seemingly preparing to make a third attempt at Brussels Charleroi (CLR) again courtesy of Flightradar24.com. Now off to [STRIKE]a straight in at DUS[/STRIKE] Maastricht! by the looks of it. Yep ... that one's down. But here's another that decided Charleroi is currently a no-go ... Busy is the day ...

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Few days ago a similar thread was removed to Spotters area....why this one remains here?
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OS461 made a "sightseeing tour" to London...
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...os461#23ce7f39
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 16:55
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As they went round the hold the GS varied by about 225 knots. Windy!

https://www.flightradar24.com/2020-0...UAE17/23cdfa29



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Originally Posted by JanetFlight View Post
Few days ago a similar thread was removed to Spotters area....why this one remains here?
Perhaps because there is currently a whole lot of learning to be had in the here and now? E.g. if your destination right now is for example, Charleroi, what are you going to do that might be different to what others did in the last 30 minutes or so?

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Second time around,
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I'm a retired airline pilot, and I'm living about 30 nm west of BHX. It has been VERY WINDY all day, with a very severe few minutes of wind and torrential rain about 1500. Full marks to anyone flying today. Glad not to be making those sort of decisions anymore.
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But this storm was coming for awhile and even Netherlands is code orange so alternative would be lower to belgium or france even
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You do realise tens of thousands of passengers arrived safely at the likes of LHR, LGW, CDG etc etc today?

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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I could understand that comment if the thread were full of criticism of diversion decisions and Monday-morning quarterbacking. I can't see any evidence of that.
Oh dear, I spoke too soon.
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This non-expert would be interested to read suggestions as to why the 777 at LHR today did a touch and go; OK, bad winds, but once they were on the ground with spoilers up, they took-off again.
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This non-expert would be interested to read suggestions as to why the 777 at LHR today did a touch and go; OK, bad winds, but once they were on the ground with spoilers up, they took-off again.
Gladly TCTC - similar thing happened to me once in CDG. First Officer landing - got it a bit long and drifting to one side. I did the standard GA procedure - works even after a touch - the spoilers retract on thrust lever movement and you climb away safe and sound.
Inconvenient perhaps but better than an uncertain result after pushing your luck.
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I think Man is 06/24 so down the runway but too gusty for maintaining stable speed below 1000 feet. Would have thought that a heavy plane like A380 more speed stable than smaller ones. Did anyone get into MAN around that period?
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In my previous type (B744) there were words to the effect in the manual that a go around could be initiated up to the selection of reverse thrust. Once reverse was selected a full stop landing had to be performed
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Is it me seeing things but in that video above the tip of the 380 right wing looks to be missing after it passes the trees.
Anyone else think that ?
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