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Subsonic Atlantic Record

Old 10th Feb 2020, 19:11
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Now now, place nicely with the others.
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 19:47
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Originally Posted by A340Yumyum
What utter nonsense - I really can't believe what I am reading. The 747 is limited to around 320kts (I know as that's the red tape on my FS). At '800' kts, the wings would definitely fall off; no sub-sonic aircraft could fly that fast, it would break up.
I have looked at all the commercial jet parameters on my flight sim and none of them is certified for anything near 800kts.
As windups go, that's rather a good one !
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 04:55
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Originally Posted by sandiego89
Related, wonder what the slowest LHR-JFK flight has been? (jet)
I was pax on a plane that took 4 days nearly 20 years ago....might have been a diversion involved though :-)
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Originally Posted by A340Yumyum
What utter nonsense - I really can't believe what I am reading. The 747 is limited to around 320kts (I know as that's the red tape on my FS). At '800' kts, the wings would definitely fall off; no sub-sonic aircraft could fly that fast, it would break up.
I have looked at all the commercial jet parameters on my flight sim and none of them is certified for anything near 800kts.
Naughty naughty Mave 😂
Did I read it landed at 0420?
I know the 0600 NJB was cancelled but not the 0430 ban.
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Originally Posted by Miraz
I was pax on a plane that took 4 days nearly 20 years ago....might have been a diversion involved though :-)
Was it around late Summer early Autumn and it started on a Tuesday?
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 17:01
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Did I read it landed at 0420?
I don't know - did you? And no, it didn't.
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 18:47
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Originally Posted by N1EPR
How are these things measured? From what point to what point.? Who does the record keeping?
In order to be a real world record, it needs to be registered with the FAI. That requires registering it with the national air sports association that is affiliated with FAI, usually the Aero Club of the country of registry. There's a detailed procedure on how to document this but there's a special category for "speed over a commercial air route" which has simplified rules. AFAIK you can use ACARS printouts for documentation under US rules, while the "standard" rules require a signed confirmation of take-off and landing time by the respective airport/ATC unit (something that can be a bit daunting to organize during a turn-around) and some proof that it's a commercial air route and not a charter (e.g. excerpt from timetable and copy load sheet). Such records get filed for the cities linked by the route, so flights to any NYC airport to any LON airport will be compete with each other.

You can of course file for records without a commercial air route and even between arbitrary non-airport points but that requires official witnesses, etc. Check the Sporting Code for details. There's a record database at the link above, but it is not very search-friendly.

I certainly regret not having filed records for a couple of routes long since abandoned that would have been very likely to have remained unchallenged forever.

Here's a nice Flying Mag article about record setting.
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 20:27
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What utter nonsense - I really can't believe what I am reading. The 747 is limited to around 320kts (I know as that's the red tape on my FS). At '800' kts, the wings would definitely fall off; no sub-sonic aircraft could fly that fast, it would break up.
I have looked at all the commercial jet parameters on my flight sim and none of them is certified for anything near 800kts.
I guess that's the difference between a 'FS' pilot and a real pilot. Google "Indicated Airspeed" and "True Airspeed" and "Ground Speed" !
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 21:24
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Originally Posted by Rwy in Sight
Was it around late Summer early Autumn and it started on a Tuesday?
Yup - that's about right, would have been staying just across the street too...
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Originally Posted by TLB
I guess that's the difference between a 'FS' pilot and a real pilot. Google "Indicated Airspeed" and "True Airspeed" and "Ground Speed" !
Hmmmm, the vast array of aircraft I fly on FS makes me most knowledgable, especially with varying flying characteristics; thus I know the Jumbo just as well as anyone who flies it. The airframe is simply not built to withstand speeds of 800mph. None of the airspeedometers in any of the jets I regularly fly (yes, it’s just the same as ‘real flying, all the dials work) go much beyond 550kts.

AND that aircraft on the treadmill WOULD take off. The thrust is pushing the wheels at 200 mph.

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Old 11th Feb 2020, 22:13
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He's still trying to wind us up, folks.

DNFTT.
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Hmmmm, the vast array of aircraft I fly on FS makes me most knowledgable, especially with varying flying characteristics; thus I know the Jumbo just as well as anyone who flies it.
Utter rubbish. Just like the article.

It flew at it's standard 0.85 or so (or whatever BA do these days if they're still using zero CI for everything). Nothing supersonic about it. It was all about a strong, and long lasting bit of wind. Which also describes A340Yumyum's posts.

Oh, and just which variant of the 74 is it that has an "airspeedometer" ?
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 06:37
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Oh, and just which variant of the 74 is it that has an "airspeedometer" ?
Good question. I don't know the answer, but clearly the "airspeedometer" is a special instrument that uses kts and mph interchangeably:

Originally Posted by A340Yumyum
I have looked at all the commercial jet parameters on my flight sim and none of them is certified for anything near 800kts.
Originally Posted by A340Yumyum
The airframe is simply not built to withstand speeds of 800mph.

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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Utter rubbish. Just like the article.

It flew at it's standard 0.85 or so (or whatever BA do these days if they're still using zero CI for everything). Nothing supersonic about it. It was all about a strong, and long lasting bit of wind. Which also describes A340Yumyum's posts.

Oh, and just which variant of the 74 is it that has an "airspeedometer" ?
All aircraft have to have airspeedometers, it is a legal requirement for, say, when you cross the Atlantic. They are required so you can make ETAs over waypoints and stuff. They also tell you how fast you are going for take-off and bits like that.

And (Atlas Shrugged) the 744 also has a Machometer (for using above high ground); it displays on the bottom LH corner of the artificial horizon display.

I am between job’s at the moment (I teach English so am good at reading the manual’s) and have plenty of time to read the operating note’s and reflect. I remember pre-911, I was invited to the cockpit of a 747-400. The pilot definitely told me that it had 2 gauge’s and the machometer automatically turned on as you got faster. It was also interesting because the 747-400 was a modification to the 747 (Classical, they called it) so it could be flown single pilot as the flap’s and gear’s were all automatic.

I believe the removal of pilot’s from some trip’s (as mentioned in another thread) as a cost saving measure proves this.

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Old 12th Feb 2020, 07:39
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A340Yumyum, I think you must be living on another planet!! But I hope you enjoy it.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 07:44
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Originally Posted by A340Yumyum
All aircraft have to have airspeedometers, it is a legal requirement for, say, when you cross the Atlantic.
I'm told that on the Herc, you just had to stick your hand out of the window - is that true ?


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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
I'm told that on the Herc, you just had to stick your hand out of the window - is that true ?

I have no knowledge of helicopters.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 08:15
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So A340 yum yum
what on your FS does it say about helicopter blade speeds which are a bit flappy. They must go about 800 knotty mphy so that would be easy for a jumbo wing which is more sturdy.
In all your spare time have a look at the FS maunuals for us.
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Originally Posted by sudden twang
So A340 yum yum
what on your FS does it say about helicopter blade speeds which are a bit flappy. They must go about 800 knotty mphy so that would be easy for a jumbo wing which is more sturdy.
i am using my down-time to read and study about helicopters. I have put all my efforts into fixed wing airplane’s up until now (hence the knowledge). It seems a lot of people on my FS forum are now looking at hele’s. I might one day make the transition to helicopter pilot, but for now will keep to the FW forum. I have been using FS98 since, well 1998, so the other members see me as a sort of ‘Jesus’ in a way.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 09:13
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Originally Posted by A340Yumyum
I have no knowledge of helicopters.
Now you're just being disingenuous - the game's up, we know who you are.

The fake apostrophe's are a nice touch, by the way !
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