Who still operates the B767?
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There are not many major operators left with 767 on a scheduled long haul services. I thought AC got rid of them long ago.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada#Current_fleet
Last time I looked they had about half a dozen of them left at mainline, running them on thin routes like YUL-FRA. All of them were 29-31 years old. From what I read, they were due to be replaced by A330 last fall but it seems the phase out is dragging on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada#Current_fleet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada#Current_fleet
Rouge (which is the same thing as AC regardless of what the marketing department says) has 25 of them with no replacement in sight.
As Admiral notes, airlines like them - they don't take a whole lot of maintenance and make lots of money. Quite a few of the passenger 767s out there have over 100k flight hours and are still going strong.
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Lets see, Air Canada has 30, Delta 77, United 54, JAL 35. Worldwide over 400 767s are still operating as passenger aircraft (over 700 if you add in the freighters). You have a strange definition of "not many"...
As Admiral notes, airlines like them - they don't take a whole lot of maintenance and make lots of money. Quite a few of the passenger 767s out there have over 100k flight hours and are still going strong.
As Admiral notes, airlines like them - they don't take a whole lot of maintenance and make lots of money. Quite a few of the passenger 767s out there have over 100k flight hours and are still going strong.
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just read carefully what I’ve said in the beginning - major airline long haul scheduled service. This removes all Rouge fleet, significant part of US majors 767 fleet is not operated on long haul, same with JAL. Condor is not a major airline. So not too many left after all.
just read carefully what I’ve said in the beginning - major airline long haul scheduled service. This removes all Rouge fleet, significant part of US majors 767 fleet is not operated on long haul, same with JAL. Condor is not a major airline. So not too many left after all.
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Re AirCanada Rouge, I imagine some would call some of their destinations "long haul". The following points are served from Canada
- Central America (Panama City, Liberia, San Jose, San Salvador, Belize City)
- South America (Cartagena, Bogota, Lima, Quito)
- Europe (Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Nice, Marseilles, Berlin, Warsaw, Prague, Venice, Barcelona, Porto, Lisbon, Athens, Budapest, Zagreb, Bucharest)
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Lets see, Air Canada has 30, Delta 77, United 54, JAL 35. Worldwide over 400 767s are still operating as passenger aircraft (over 700 if you add in the freighters). You have a strange definition of "not many"...
As Admiral notes, airlines like them - they don't take a whole lot of maintenance and make lots of money. Quite a few of the passenger 767s out there have over 100k flight hours and are still going strong.
As Admiral notes, airlines like them - they don't take a whole lot of maintenance and make lots of money. Quite a few of the passenger 767s out there have over 100k flight hours and are still going strong.
I mean, there must be a reason that solid airlines phase their planes out once they reach about 15 years.
And the main reason, apparently, that Lufthansa and a bunch of others passed up on Condor was exactly that their fleet was very old and in dire need of replacement.
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Yes, there are close to no capital costs, but isn't that more than made up by higher fuel and maintenance cost? Don't the checks cost a lot of time and money once the planes are 30 years old and have 80k+ cycles?
I mean, there must be a reason that solid airlines phase their planes out once they reach about 15 years.
And the main reason, apparently, that Lufthansa and a bunch of others passed up on Condor was exactly that their fleet was very old and in dire need of replacement.
I mean, there must be a reason that solid airlines phase their planes out once they reach about 15 years.
And the main reason, apparently, that Lufthansa and a bunch of others passed up on Condor was exactly that their fleet was very old and in dire need of replacement.
Even LH are still operating 343 from 1998-2001.
Condor still have a large fleet of 17 in mainline long haul use, and Austrian also still uses 6 (ex Lauda)
TUI UK (ex Air 2000 and Thomson machines) and TUI Europe/Nordic have some, as does ex TUI partner Neos Air in Italy who have 3.
EuroAtlantic and Titan still use 767 for ACMI work
Icelandair has a couple, as does RAM
TUI UK (ex Air 2000 and Thomson machines) and TUI Europe/Nordic have some, as does ex TUI partner Neos Air in Italy who have 3.
EuroAtlantic and Titan still use 767 for ACMI work
Icelandair has a couple, as does RAM
This should keep you busy looking at who has what.
https://www.planespotters.net/operators/Boeing/767
https://www.planespotters.net/operators/Boeing/767
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Yes, but 343, 346, 744 are all on their way out, phase out having been delayed by availabilit of the A350-900, 787-900 and 777-900.
Frankly, I never understood why they gobbled up 343 after the bust in 2008/09 and kept adding 346, when there were better alternatives (newer versions of A330-300 and B777). They may have been cheap and available, but commonality would not have ruled out getting more A330 in the mix. Their business model used to be to have a young fleet throughout,.
Frankly, I never understood why they gobbled up 343 after the bust in 2008/09 and kept adding 346, when there were better alternatives (newer versions of A330-300 and B777). They may have been cheap and available, but commonality would not have ruled out getting more A330 in the mix. Their business model used to be to have a young fleet throughout,.