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AN-12`s into Liverpool

Old 7th Jul 2019, 12:18
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AN-12`s into Liverpool

Noticed over the last 2 days a number of AN-12s `droning` their way over the Channel, South West and Wales heading into Liverpool. Interested to know what the cargo would be...fruit from West Africa??. UR-CAK and CNN Saturday morning and UR-CBG this morning. I did see/hear a couple of flights earlier in the week heading in the same direction
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 12:52
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I'm not certain however they are often related to the automotive industry. My guess would be either bringing in or taking out parts from Ellesmere Port etc.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 15:08
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UR-CAJ has just gone over.....no origin or destination showing on FR24. Did notice one in the week originated in Tangier. If they are moving car parts....that's a lot of car parts this week
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Originally Posted by The Flying Stool View Post
I'm not certain however they are often related to the automotive industry. My guess would be either bringing in or taking out parts from Ellesmere Port etc.
Both. And not just from Ellesmere Port. There are a number of companies on Merseyside who make vehicle components.
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Heard and then saw a couple of them in the last week or two droning (and smoking) their way in and out of Liverpool. Can't tell you the reg but one of them originated in Luxembourg and at least one of them went to Gothenburg.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 15:55
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It is amazing how busy they are and how far travelled.
The 4 mentioned above appear to have been to places as far apart as JNB,TNG,YYZ and KEF in the last week or so.
I wonder what they are carrying.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 21:04
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I understand that a lot of it is equipment for the Morecambe Bay gas fields.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 23:11
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Yep, I think they do a lot of work for the oil industry. They regularly go down to the oil fields in the Algerian Sahara for instance.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 23:23
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Right on cue, I have just heard one of them go over me here in Newcastle. See a thread I started last year about the unusual routes they take.... The strange routings of Eastern Bloc freighters They seem to like starting their crossings of the North Sea from the Tyneside and Wearside area for some reason, even when leaving Doncaster bound for Gothenburg!
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I doubt there is anything "strange" about the routes - some direct routes cleared by ATC?
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 19:56
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UR CAK, CNN on Saturday, CGG, CAJ sunday, CNN, CAK Monday. CKL Tuesday, and this evening enroute from Malage CNT.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 20:19
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I wonder if they ever get any maintenance? They are always in the air.
According to FR24 CKL recently did a trip Stavanger-Houston-Fairbanks which presumably involved the oil industry.
They ones from Tangier and Malaga to Liverpool might carry fruit and vegetables.

Libya too-they are not scared!

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Old 10th Jul 2019, 22:02
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Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR View Post
I doubt there is anything "strange" about the routes - some direct routes cleared by ATC?
Some of the routes were anything but direct, that's what looked strange about them They would fly from Doncaster up to Newcastle which is nearly at a right angle to Gothenburg. The recent routes taken from Liverpool to Gothenburg are a bit more normal - flights from Scandinavia to Manchester often head across the North Sea to here and then take a left turn south.
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Originally Posted by renfrew View Post
I wonder if they ever get any maintenance? They are always in the air.
If they average more than 8 hours a day, I'd be amazed.

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Old 11th Jul 2019, 08:42
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Originally Posted by renfrew View Post
I wonder if they ever get any maintenance? They are always in the air.
Under that principle your low cost airlines get no maintenance.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 11:38
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Bearing in mind that the AN-12's have such a peripatetic life, mostly to unusual airfields, it makes you wonder how they deal with issues Mx related. No doubt if there is a major issue, then another AN-12 will be chartered to bring out the spares ! ��
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Old 14th Jul 2019, 08:34
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An12 Maintenance.

The loading team are actually techies who look after the aeroplanes when away from base. Cheaper to do it this way, and they understand their aeroplanes better than "local" labour. Very reliable aeroplanes.
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Old 14th Jul 2019, 11:17
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I had some dealings with Bulgarian AN12s some years back and they said that their maintenance was nothing like ours with regular 100, 500 and annual checks etc. All they did was consumables and fault repairs between a big strip-down every 3 years or so which iirc happened in Russia.
They operate them like tramp steamers going from job to job wherever the cargo takes them and are often away from base for weeks/months completely self-supported.
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