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Old 1st Mar 2018, 18:55
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I have just read the byelaws for Oxford Airport and photography isn't mentioned at all.

At Luton the Byelaw states
No person shall, in the course of business, take photographs or participate in filming or sound recording at the airport without permission.
Nothing at all about private individuals.
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 20:09
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Sometimes you will be better off enquiring at an unfamiliar airfield first.


These byelaws are usually aimed at people who may be photographing for commercial purposes ....just think how many people have phones with built in cameras on the site , they cannot be controlled. Many airfields/airports in the UK have similar byelaws with regard photography.


Best to ask first , to be honest not many photos seem to appear from Oxford Airport with regard enthusiasts taking photos. Visited the place eons ago when it was CSE , and I had to get permission then to take photos , no fancy biz jets in those days - just spamcan's and seneca's .


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Old 1st Mar 2018, 23:16
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Originally Posted by scarecrow450 View Post
The only thing who can make you delete any pics is a high court judge with an order, that's from the Met police info how to deal with photographers, post the pics they can not stop you taking pics from a public road.
I was just to the left of their terminal building, and when I was on the road I suspect it will be an airport owned road and not a public one? Shouldn't matter mind you because 99% of roads on airports are likely private and 99% of airport operators do not care!
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Old 2nd Mar 2018, 09:32
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There is software out there that can recover deleted photos. I think it was/is made by sandisc.

When you create any computer file (which is what a digital picture is) it writes the data on the disc and then creates a pointer in an index. To find file xyx.jpg the system will go to the index, find the pointer and thus find the file. All that happens when you delete a file is that the index item gets deleted; the data is still there.

So long as you have the software and have tried it out and understand it you can delete with impunity. Immediately afterwards, take that card out of the camera (so the data is preserved) and put a new one in. Wen you get home retrieve the pictures.
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Old 2nd Mar 2018, 12:10
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I've written a report on the incident here:

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Old 2nd Mar 2018, 12:52
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Sadly the carefree days when it was possible to have a wander around Kidlington looking for the latest arrivals with CSE, mainly Pipers from Lock Haven, are long gone. More is the pity !!! Applies at too many other places as well.

With regard to your experiences with the female security operative, I would agree with others on here, it is very likely she has greatly exceeded her authority. A while since I have been to Kidlington but when I did, the Banbury to Oxford public bus service used to call at the front entrance, with stops on airport premises. I think there were some residential blocks (for student pilots) not too far away so not unreasonable to expect members of the public might be wandering around. So long as you had not entered an "airside area" I am very doubtful you will have broken any rules. In my view the most she could have done was to ask you to leave.

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Old 5th Mar 2018, 10:57
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Originally Posted by Cautious Optimist View Post
I was just to the left of their terminal building, and when I was on the road I suspect it will be an airport owned road and not a public one? Shouldn't matter mind you because 99% of roads on airports are likely private and 99% of airport operators do not care!
Hi Cautious Optimist.

If you were here:



Then you were next to this :



But come in and talk to the OPs staff and let us know. We are quite approachable but like to be respectful of the wishes of our customers; it's what we do :-). We're not bad-guys by design.





Best wishes Fred.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 15:46
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Hmm, I think I was there...must be blind in one eye and can't see out of the other! Either that or the sign fell off!!

It's not that so much anyway as that you're the 'odd one out', if it's the wishes of your customers, how come the same/similar customers don't make the same wishes at other airports, or do other airports just ignore their wishes? Who knows.

Anyways I'm pleased to learn you are in fact friendly and apologies for missing the rather obvious signage!
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 17:20
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Also notice that ATCO Fred fails to make any mention of the actions of the security operative i.e. the one who compelled CO to delete his digital images.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 18:21
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Are there any airport byelaws to back up the No Photography prohibition?

If so, where can they be found?
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 20:01
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Also notice that ATCO Fred fails to make any mention of the actions of the security operative i.e. the one who compelled CO to delete his digital images.
Hi Mike. . .. .it's not my place to comment on how a contracted company conducts its business. I would be miffed if they passed comment on my profession. I was merely providing some balance to the OP that the event took place on private property next to a sign that asked for permission prior to taking photographs.

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Old 5th Mar 2018, 20:06
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Are there any airport byelaws to back up the No Photography prohibition?

If so, where can they be found?
Quick google . . . . .

In the UK, the laws does not prevent photography from a public place. However, airports in the UK are private, either in full and/or on land which is considered private property. Consequently, most ban photography, particularly in secure or security areas. When not in a secure area, and when done for personal, not commercial use, it's generally accepted. Pre-Customs Arrivals areas generally have security restrictions on electronic devices and photography.
To to be clear, while you do not need a permit to shoot in public places, public is a loose term: all land in the UK is owned, even if it's accessible at all times. Transport facilities (train, tube, plane) are private and have rules about taking photos.
Where some get the notion that photography is barred is under the 2000 Terrorism Act, which added prohibitions on taking photographs in secure areas and of airport staff.
And the over-zealous individual had no authority to do so. Only the police can challenge you, as has been made very clear by the Met.
You can be stopped by security and asked not to take photos, and you can be removed from the property by them, but they cannot physically prevent you from taking pictures, nor can they take your equipment, look at your photos, delete (or force you to delete) any images.
Cautious - if you have any issues and want to discuss further then just PM me.

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Old 5th Mar 2018, 21:20
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That hasn't answered the question of whether Oxford actually has byelaws prohibiting photography.

But it's good that you have acknowledged that forcing the OP to delete his photos was done without any authority to do so.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 22:52
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I think that it should also be mentioned that many airports or FBOs handling executive aviation have, in the interest of granting their customers more privacy (from the press more than spotters), taken steps to hinder the possibilities of taking pictures close to the terminal. Many of those travelling on private jets don't particularly want to be seen and photographed getting on or off. Many of the large FBOs in the USA now have high walls around their ramp areas just for that reason. Photographing these aircraft away from the ramp is generally never a problem.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 09:17
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Just one small aside here: spotters/photographers of aircraft generally do not want people of any description in their shots. Tends to differentiate them from the "paparazzi"....!!

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Old 6th Mar 2018, 09:45
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Here is a question: "Where is a photograph?" Sounds silly, I know but in a situation where the photographer is outside of a fence and the photo taken is within the airport fence, which rules apply? Is the photograph deemed to have been taken where the camera is located, a public place, or is it deemed to have been taken at the source of the reflected light (aircraft in this case), within the confines of a a private place?
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 10:15
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Here is a question: "Where is a photograph?" Sounds silly, I know but in a situation where the photographer is outside of a fence and the photo taken is within the airport fence, which rules apply? Is the photograph deemed to have been taken where the camera is located, a public place, or is it deemed to have been taken at the source of the reflected light (aircraft in this case), within the confines of a a private place?

Hmmm......bit of an esoteric question!! Becomes even more so if you think about photographs taken from a drone...
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 14:56
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Here is a question: "Where is a photograph?" Sounds silly, I know but in a situation where the photographer is outside of a fence and the photo taken is within the airport fence, which rules apply? Is the photograph deemed to have been taken where the camera is located, a public place, or is it deemed to have been taken at the source of the reflected light (aircraft in this case), within the confines of a a private place?
Have a wander round the outside of the perimeter fence at Aldermaston and your question will be answered.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 15:14
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Many years ago we drove a car into the open area of Boscombe Down and photographed the lightning that is/ was there and some visiting F1-11s. We accepted the telling off from security. They then told us where we could go.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 15:47
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Nicely..... I trust !!!!
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