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Atmosphere Intercontinental Airlines Uk - What?!

Old 10th Feb 2020, 19:54
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Originally Posted by diffident
I wouldn't have thought so, Companies House like to go after the directors personally, so I would have expected any action by CH to be against him personally as the person listed with "significant control". Indeed, CH make a big thing about director's personal responsibility in areas such as filing.

The point I made previously though - as he and, I assume, his grandmother(?) are listed as directors - is she aware of the CCJ against the company and the possible ramifications of it? I'd be inclined to suggest most likely not.

But again, coming back to the subject in hand, for a registered company that has no assets or cash on hand, and to now be 4 times its issued share capital in debt, really does speak volumes of this whole sorry saga. The concern as I stated before, is that its gone from pretty harmless social media/online fantasy, to now being something rather more serious, particularly from the point of view that someone somewhere is owed money and was likely deceived into parting with a service/product in the first place.
Companies House wouldn't claim via the courts, they would just strike off the company instead.
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 23:20
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Companies House wouldn't claim via the courts, they would just strike off the company instead.
So if JU doesn't do his annual filing with Companies house then the company gets struck off leaving the party that issued the CCJ up the creek without a paddle!
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So if JU doesn't do his annual filing with Companies house then the company gets struck off leaving the party that issued the CCJ up the creek without a paddle!
If I was the issuing party of the CCJ, I'd be preparing to issue a winding up petition, assuming that the CCJ remains in force and unpaid by the end of the court grace period (2nd March). The law is very clear, a company that fails to satisfy a CCJ that is issued against it in the 30-day court grace period is defined in law as insolvent, allowing for a compulsory liquidation to take place.
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If I was the issuing party of the CCJ, I'd be preparing to issue a winding up petition, assuming that the CCJ remains in force and unpaid by the end of the court grace period (2nd March). The law is very clear, a company that fails to satisfy a CCJ that is issued against it in the 30-day court grace period is defined in law as insolvent, allowing for a compulsory liquidation to take place.
And then he restarts as Atmosphere Airlines UK (2020) Limited!
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers
And then he restarts as Atmosphere Airlines UK (2020) Limiyed!
Oh aye, without a shadow of a doubt.

What he won't be betting on is that Companies House records and makes publicly available, all previous directorships! It'd immediately ring alarm bells if Atmosphere 1 was wound up under a CCJ, and then the next day Atmosphere 2 is registered with the same bloke at the helm!!!
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Originally Posted by diffident
Oh aye, without a shadow of a doubt.

What he won't be betting on is that Companies House records and makes publicly available, all previous directorships! It'd immediately ring alarm bells if Atmosphere 1 was wound up under a CCJ, and then the next day Atmosphere 2 is registered with the same bloke at the helm!!!
There are ways and there are means.

I mentioned previously a problem I had with the UK police, a website that I was hosting, let's call it www.abc.com, was offending the one individual that it was intended to offend, the police ordered that I remove it but they didn't specify how I remove it, so my Filipina partner, domicile in the Philippines, registered, let's call it, www.xyz.com and in to my website I loaded a redirect whereas all visitors to abc would get redirected to xyz, that totally threw the police!

I remember Fairflight, Biggin Hill, in the 1980's, they that were behind Air Ecosse, what a cowboy outfit they were, the CAA threatened to close them down unless they changed their board of directors so what they did was promote their under-managers to directors.
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 15:37
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Coming up to the second anniversary of this thread ! Is there a beer and burgers fest planned anywhere to celebrate this auspicious event?
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur
Coming up to the second anniversary of this thread ! Is there a beer and burgers fest planned anywhere to celebrate this auspicious event?
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Maybe a fundraiser to help BW with his CCJ?
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Oh purleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese.....
And then he restarts as Atmosphere Airlines UK (2020) Limited!
don't give him ideas, even though there's more corn a-poppin' ....
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 18:43
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Originally Posted by diffident
If I was the issuing party of the CCJ, I'd be preparing to issue a winding up petition, assuming that the CCJ remains in force and unpaid by the end of the court grace period (2nd March). The law is very clear, a company that fails to satisfy a CCJ that is issued against it in the 30-day court grace period is defined in law as insolvent, allowing for a compulsory liquidation to take place.
I've never heard that before, are you sure? CCJ's can be issued for all manor of things, not just down to inability to pay a debt. Being insolvent is when a company has a negative balance sheet.
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 20:58
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The "Clown of Chelmsford' needs to understand that our industry, yes, the one he's trying to bludgeon and bluff his way into, is (usually) very supportive of new entrants who are well intentioned and keen to learn. On the other hand, cheats, liars and fraudsters? Not so much...
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Originally Posted by diffident
If I was the issuing party of the CCJ, I'd be preparing to issue a winding up petition, assuming that the CCJ remains in force and unpaid by the end of the court grace period (2nd March). The law is very clear, a company that fails to satisfy a CCJ that is issued against it in the 30-day court grace period is defined in law as insolvent, allowing for a compulsory liquidation to take place.
You wouldn't get very far - the debt has to be at least £750 for a winding up petition.
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Originally Posted by BirdmanBerry
I've never heard that before, are you sure? CCJ's can be issued for all manor of things, not just down to inability to pay a debt. Being insolvent is when a company has a negative balance sheet.
Other than a debt, what can a CCJ be issued for?
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Re is the company dormant....

A business owner could chat away on social media trying to drum up bisiness for his company, he could be chatting with guys down the pub, he could be standing on the street with sandwich boards, but until such time as that company generates some business I'd suggest that it remains as declared dormant.
Agreed. If only this was all he has done. Remember he has

- signed contracts with third parties as AIA
- issued EOIs in the name of AIA
- signed LOIs in the name of AIA
- fundraised, even if only via GoFundMe

i would suggest that means it is certainly not dormant...

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very supportive of new entrants who are well intentioned and keen to learn
Absolutely. In the early days of this project, before the lunacy became apparent, I offered him some pro bono help (I’ve started a few airlines so have the stripes and scars!) I’m pretty sure others offered help as well. For my troubles I got a ‘I know everything and have the best advisors so just f*ck off’ email....

I leave it to all here to decide whether he is not well intentioned or not keen to learn. Or indeed whether both apply...

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Old 12th Feb 2020, 21:04
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Agreed. If only this was all he has done. Remember he has

- signed contracts with third parties as AIA
- issued EOIs in the name of AIA
- signed LOIs in the name of AIA
- fundraised, even if only via GoFundMe
The GoFundMe donations are verifiable, but do we have independent proof of any of the others, or are we simply taking BW's word for those ?
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He has a contract with Intelisys (reservation system provider) that they have confirmed, and he has plastered his LinkedIn pages with LOIs and EOIs about Jet and others.
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Originally Posted by Captivep
You wouldn't get very far - the debt has to be at least £750 for a winding up petition.
Not once a CCJ is attached, it can be forced into liquidation (thus wound up) through the continued non-payment, simply by returning the matter to the issuing court. The £750 threshold is for new requests, there aren't limits where unsatisfied CCJ's are concerned and a judge can issue a winding up order on any amount.

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I've never heard that before, are you sure? CCJ's can be issued for all manor of things, not just down to inability to pay a debt. Being insolvent is when a company has a negative balance sheet.
Absolutely sure. Being insolvent is *not* when a company has a negative balance sheet - indeed a good number of FTSE100 companies would be in serious trouble if that were the case!!!

Insolvency is not having the ability to meet liabilities e.g; debt repayments.

Also, to answer your point about CCJ's they are exclusively a tool of the legal system for handling debt. They are not used for any other purpose.
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Well, it seems our work here may be done... J-J-the-jet-plane, the Clown of Chelmsford, seems to have had his Twitter accounts blocked. No doubt he'll start others (eg jetairways2020) but think authorities must be on his case.
BUT ALL IS NOT LOST!
We have another fraudster (actually, he never really left). A convicted felon with a degree in...wait for it... chiropractic. Avatar Airlines. Even has a somewhat professional-looking info memo: https://avatarairlines.com/wp-conten...ISED111819.pdf
He's gonna buy 30x 747-8i for domestic US use with $19 fares.
Let's gin up the machine boys and girls and take this fraudster down too.

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Love it flyandski,

Here we go.

From his .pdf blurb..
(Price of food not included...)


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