Stunning go around at LHR today
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How it usually works - file a (short) report for the go-around, go home or do next sector as required, then in the next day or two hope you don't get a phone call because the Flight Data recorder screening has flagged something the management want to talk to you about. That's about as warm and fuzzy as it gets.
Re: raising the gear, agree with other thoughts here, there's a danger of the SOP monkey triggering something unfortunate in circumstances like this, yanking the gear up straight away in reponse to a positive rate, even on what looks like a non-windshear go-around, might not always be the best course of action...c.f. Emirates not that long ago......out of fashion I know but Airmanship and all that.
Do they get Earl Grey AND cream cakes with the chief pilot after that or is it a case of that's what you're their for laddie (or lassie these days)
Re: raising the gear, agree with other thoughts here, there's a danger of the SOP monkey triggering something unfortunate in circumstances like this, yanking the gear up straight away in reponse to a positive rate, even on what looks like a non-windshear go-around, might not always be the best course of action...c.f. Emirates not that long ago......out of fashion I know but Airmanship and all that.
In our Company the PF reads the FMA before the PM calls "Positive Climb". This is to ensure that the correct modes have engaged ie TOGA not FLEX, with NAV. Same aircraft type.
Gonzo and Wiggy thank you very much for your replies.
I can see that retaining the enrgy to go around rather than over compensate for rapid wind changes makes sense-still makes for a few scary moments though doesn 't it. And Wiggy, understand what you say but it seems a bit sad that management never give out any compliments but are always looking for infringements of the rules
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I can see that retaining the enrgy to go around rather than over compensate for rapid wind changes makes sense-still makes for a few scary moments though doesn 't it. And Wiggy, understand what you say but it seems a bit sad that management never give out any compliments but are always looking for infringements of the rules
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Well, i wouldn't expect any high praise for a go around. It is after all part of the job we are trained for. In fact, the training is that every approach ends with a go around, and that is what we brief for every flight.
However, yes, a thank you for non normal circumstances are kinda nice, and i have to say i was pleasantly surprised when my company at some point sent me a thank you letter and a nice bottle of red after a technical defect prompted us to do a full emergency landing preparation and procedures.
However, yes, a thank you for non normal circumstances are kinda nice, and i have to say i was pleasantly surprised when my company at some point sent me a thank you letter and a nice bottle of red after a technical defect prompted us to do a full emergency landing preparation and procedures.
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To clarify Airbus procedures if there is a Reactive Windshear warning. 'Windshear TOGA' and apply full thrust. NO config changes until both pilots confirm that they're out of the shear... Then PF will trigger the return to normal SOP with a 'Go Around Flaps' call.
Part of that return to normal SOP includes the 'positive climb' and then gear retraction. That may happen at quite an altitude depending on the severity of the windshear...
Part of that return to normal SOP includes the 'positive climb' and then gear retraction. That may happen at quite an altitude depending on the severity of the windshear...
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Good afternoon everyone,
Brilliant to see the debate and chat this video has evoked to the situation in question.
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Brilliant to see the debate and chat this video has evoked to the situation in question.
At Big Jet Productions we are a massive promoter of pilots and one of our aims is to bring pilots and their incredible skills into more of a public spotlight.
Does anyone on this network know the pilots of #BA869? Or could have the means to locate them? We're sure they'd love to see the footage.
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PNF took a while to remember to call "positive climb" though, took aeons before the gear was raised. Must have had something else on his mind!
Prob a Windshear G/A. Hence, leave the config until climbing clear. (Opening gear doors to raise gear causes more drag)
Originally Posted by noflynomore View Post
PNF took a while to remember to call "positive climb" though, took aeons before the gear was raised. Must have had something else on his mind!
Prob a Windshear G/A. Hence, leave the config until climbing clear. (Opening gear doors to raise gear causes more drag)
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Raising the gear would open the gear doors, causing unwanted extra drag during the escape manoevre.
I suspect leaving the gear down is as you say mainly due to the ground contact problem but TBH the logic might be a bit of both. Certainly of some types with big wing/body gear doors the opening/closing can cost you a knot or two..or three.