SWISS LX40 [ZRH-LAX] diversion to Iqaluit
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Some snow , so what!
Gratulations to the Crew on job well done.
I think Swiss possibly had a bit more than a engine flame out or a precautionary shut down.
They found out the hard way what happens when you try to solve a problem that is to fare gone.
Quite shure the cl said Land at the nearest suitable airport.
For those of you allergic to snow, leave this to to us that love it.
I would fly into this place any time compared to the desert were the numbers are rigged to support unsustainable aircraft export and illogic hubbing.
Never mind.
The fact that we now see the other side of ETOPS, ie having to put down in a community were you dobbel the population at touchdown.
And the suits at HQ are outoff ideas .
So WHAT .
It was maybe not the perfect diversion, but it was the safest if time was critical.
2600meters rwy at -22c if cowered with spots of hard snow still gives good breaking action.
Anyway looking forward to see the initial report.
I think Swiss possibly had a bit more than a engine flame out or a precautionary shut down.
They found out the hard way what happens when you try to solve a problem that is to fare gone.
Quite shure the cl said Land at the nearest suitable airport.
For those of you allergic to snow, leave this to to us that love it.
I would fly into this place any time compared to the desert were the numbers are rigged to support unsustainable aircraft export and illogic hubbing.
Never mind.
The fact that we now see the other side of ETOPS, ie having to put down in a community were you dobbel the population at touchdown.
And the suits at HQ are outoff ideas .
So WHAT .
It was maybe not the perfect diversion, but it was the safest if time was critical.
2600meters rwy at -22c if cowered with spots of hard snow still gives good breaking action.
Anyway looking forward to see the initial report.
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I didnt think i needed to write suitable as that should be obvious to anyone with an IQ over 60.
The "suitable" airports are marked on the flight plan by flight ops. But hey what do I know
The "suitable" airports are marked on the flight plan by flight ops. But hey what do I know
I think the danger is if availability of "company support" starts skewing the decision making process in an emergency such as this, though I'd agree it would be in the decision making process if it was "50/50" between two airfields .
For the sake of this discussion looking at the Metars and knowing what Iqaluit has available it would be hard to see it as being anything other than the "nearest suitable".
For the sake of this discussion looking at the Metars and knowing what Iqaluit has available it would be hard to see it as being anything other than the "nearest suitable".
I would expect crews in that part of the world will already know where they are going before the EICAS squawks into life. Routing to SEA/SFO/LAX from Europe leaves you spending a lot of time over unforgiving terrain with few options available.
I sympathise greatly wish the crew having sat there looking at the weather and plates at the likes of Yellowknife and Iqualuit and offering a quiet prayer to messrs RR or GE as we approach the edges of those nice ETOPS circles.
I sympathise greatly wish the crew having sat there looking at the weather and plates at the likes of Yellowknife and Iqualuit and offering a quiet prayer to messrs RR or GE as we approach the edges of those nice ETOPS circles.
And the suits at HQ are outoff ideas .
With a Twin bypassing a suitable airport with one fan shut down is simply not done.
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From the article in French I understand that this was an "automatic" engine shut down. Is that correct? If so I'd be worried that the other "automatically" shut down too. Consequently, a rapid diversion to the nearest suitable was a no brainer. Excellent PROFESSIONAL job done by the crew!
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Sound unlikely doesn't it - be interesting to see what exactly happened.
I wonder if it's a clunky way of saying basically the engine simply failed!!!
OTOH some pax do seem very unhappy at the idea we can turn anything on or off without HALs permission, and would probably be happier if they were told HAL did the whole job....
"Open the pod bay doors HAL............."
Sound unlikely doesn't it - be interesting to see what exactly happened.
I wonder if it's a clunky way of saying basically the engine simply failed!!!
OTOH some pax do seem very unhappy at the idea we can turn anything on or off without HALs permission, and would probably be happier if they were told HAL did the whole job....
"Open the pod bay doors HAL............."
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Here's a video of the all-snow landscape landing:
https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/83556...-angeles-.html
https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/83556...-angeles-.html
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Native French speaker here.
Best translation I can come up with is "resulted in the automatic shutdown of the left engine, as intended / as per design of the automation"
Just a pax here, but that sure sounds like a case where avionics decide that keeping that engine running is a major threat and shut it down without human intervention. Looking forward to reading input from people who know whether that's even possible...
Best translation I can come up with is "resulted in the automatic shutdown of the left engine, as intended / as per design of the automation"
Just a pax here, but that sure sounds like a case where avionics decide that keeping that engine running is a major threat and shut it down without human intervention. Looking forward to reading input from people who know whether that's even possible...
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The actual wording in the QRH for this instance is "LAND ASAP" nothing more nothing less
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Good recovery by Swiss
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I may have insinuated that Swiss HQ do not know what they are doing.
That is not the case. and this is why I would love to fly with them any time.
Some other LH companies are of my list as pax.
Land ASAP or nearest suitable means just that.
Ops have no say in that , whatsoever the Commander has , hence Commander.
I think Fly Dubai proved that with a perfectly working AC with at least 4 ACARS and 3 satphone massages to " help " the commander.
Just had a timecritical Non Normal event on approach with CAVOK and standard fuel plus 15 mins.
22 min of cl and non standard brief and performance.
No time for dicking around with asking HQ what they wanted.
Could have gone to a maint base nearby. Did not: KISS.
Landed with fuel to spare for a second approach AND diversion fuel to said maint base.
If your enroute alternates or emg airports are called Frobisher Bay , Churchill , Alert , Cambridge Bay, Søndrestrøm Fjord , Narsasuak , Thule ,or Longyear Byen etc etc You are interested in the following: Is it open , weather and performance. Head for it,
By the way , a-symmetric thrust cant possibly be an issue with an aircraft as long and with such a rudder , and a fullflap N-1 landing . Vref ca 135???
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I may have insinuated that Swiss HQ do not know what they are doing.
That is not the case. and this is why I would love to fly with them any time.
Some other LH companies are of my list as pax.
Land ASAP or nearest suitable means just that.
Ops have no say in that , whatsoever the Commander has , hence Commander.
I think Fly Dubai proved that with a perfectly working AC with at least 4 ACARS and 3 satphone massages to " help " the commander.
Just had a timecritical Non Normal event on approach with CAVOK and standard fuel plus 15 mins.
22 min of cl and non standard brief and performance.
No time for dicking around with asking HQ what they wanted.
Could have gone to a maint base nearby. Did not: KISS.
Landed with fuel to spare for a second approach AND diversion fuel to said maint base.
If your enroute alternates or emg airports are called Frobisher Bay , Churchill , Alert , Cambridge Bay, Søndrestrøm Fjord , Narsasuak , Thule ,or Longyear Byen etc etc You are interested in the following: Is it open , weather and performance. Head for it,
By the way , a-symmetric thrust cant possibly be an issue with an aircraft as long and with such a rudder , and a fullflap N-1 landing . Vref ca 135???
Regards Cpt B
They won't be the first to erect a tent over the engine and bring in several heaters.
The locals have the skills to do the job with snow blocks
The locals have the skills to do the job with snow blocks
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Air stairs or ice blocks
Tent for the Trent!
Building a set of stairs high enough for the debarkation was nr one exercise it looked like from the video.
Shure love those airstairs in the 737 800.
Anyway, i am shure the locals have a plan to cover that engine and enough heaters for a good sauna by now.
Keep an open mind , and listen to the locals. Not the first engine changed up there. Possibly the biggest, mind u !
Can anyone give us some progress reports and pictures !?
They will have have it ticking in no time.
Building a set of stairs high enough for the debarkation was nr one exercise it looked like from the video.
Shure love those airstairs in the 737 800.
Anyway, i am shure the locals have a plan to cover that engine and enough heaters for a good sauna by now.
Keep an open mind , and listen to the locals. Not the first engine changed up there. Possibly the biggest, mind u !
Can anyone give us some progress reports and pictures !?
They will have have it ticking in no time.
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The fact that we now see the other side of ETOPS, ie having to put down in a community were you dobbel the population at touchdown.
