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BA pilot upsets DUB ATC once again.

Old 20th Jun 2016, 15:07
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BA pilot upsets DUB ATC once again.

Sorry folks, link broken see the post below. Thanks.


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Old 20th Jun 2016, 15:48
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not working , can you re-check, or put key words ?
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Old 20th Jun 2016, 16:02
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The address is missing a colon after the https.

Cut and paste, add a colon before // and it works.

edit: the link displayed is different to that embedded in the forum, i.e. "http://https//m.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qFUZ6oHBft4"

so https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=qFUZ6oHBft4 will get you there.

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Perhaps the calm lady on ground ATC could file an etiquette report to BA about their Nigel taking up valuable & limited radio time over trivia. I've never heard of a pilot volunteering to write a report over minutiae. Writing any kind of report is a drudge, but when 'needs must' it is a responsibility to make changes where necessary. Volunteering to write one about trivia where nothing is going to change is a whinge of epic proportions. I wonder what example was being shown to the F/O (captain's apprentice). And the world still turns and no-one died. OMG.
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What an arrogant
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Poor Nigel!
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etiquette report
That's a real report?
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Old 20th Jun 2016, 16:16
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Some might think that a pilot could reasonably get upset with a ground controller who has just cleared his flight to push back into the path of another aircraft, prevented only by a vigilant tug crew.

Except that Nigel didn't get upset, he simply pointed out calmly to the oblivious controller what had happened and informed her, not unreasonably, that he would be filing an ASR.

Or have I been listening to a different recording?
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It's what one would call a . The sad part is he probably still thinks he's right.
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Thanks luoto for the amended link.
Well if I was the Dublin ATC head receiving such a report from BA, I would just copy and paste the audio file and write : "contact us if you have any further questions" .
But I bet you a pint of Guinness that no report was written in the end , it was just like a kid bravado after the other crew comments on the R/T to get the final word .
It is also apparently his own error to stop monitoring the frequency, if I get it correctly.
Anyway , kuddos to the girl for remaining quiet and professional all the way . I do not think I would have remained myself that polite until the end...

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Some might think that a pilot could reasonably get upset with a ground controller who has just cleared his flight to push back into the path of another aircraft, prevented only by a vigilant tug crew.

Except that Nigel didn't get upset, he simply pointed out calmly to the oblivious controller what had happened and informed her, not unreasonably, that he would be filing an ASR.

Or have I been listening to a different recording?


You missed the part where she said she tried to notify them of the other aircraft and they acknowledged they weren't listening out on frequency.
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I'm sorry, but I'm listening to something different then most of you.

I hear speedbird get cleared to push and start and then get stopped by vigilant groundcrew because somebody else in another aircraft f@cks up.

The Nigel might be an arse for blaming the ATC girl (clearly not her fault, she did well) , but he's right that that was potentially a bad incident, and a report should be written.

The other pilots on freq are being very unprofessional. Laugh in the cockpit, but don't clutter a busy freq.
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Old 20th Jun 2016, 16:38
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Originally Posted by Lord Lardy
You missed the part where she said she tried to notify them of the other aircraft and they acknowledged they weren't listening out on frequency.
You mean while they were on the intercom to the tug crew who were explaining that they had stopped the push to avoid hitting another aircraft?

A little late for the controller to advise of the conflict, methinks.
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Both pilots on the intercom? I'm sure it's not BA SOP for one pilot not to monitor a frequency they are working. I hope he did/does file his report. It will all come become clear for all concerned from there. I have a sneaky feeling however that there won't be any report written.
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Nigel is always whinging around the world,they are very unprofessional.
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Chip on both shoulders! I'm sure you've met all 4000 BA pilots.
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Old 20th Jun 2016, 17:00
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Originally Posted by Lord Lardy
I'm sure it's not BA SOP for one pilot not to monitor a frequency they are working
You're missing the point.

Even if the BA crew had been monitoring the ground frequency and had heard her warning, it still came after the vigilant tug crew had already stopped the pushback of their own accord when they became aware of the conflict. That situation should never have arisen.

I hope he did/does file his report. It will all come become clear for all concerned from there.
I hope so, too.
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What would you suggest then ? Herself coming down from tower and tell them to stop ? Thatīs no reason for the BA pilot to blame her ... Couldīve handled that much differently, or was everyother pilot in the freq also wrong ?
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but he's right that that was potentially a bad incident, and a report should be written.


OMG: a BAD incident. If that was a bad incident and a report is necessary then some airlines must be drowned in paperwork. The poor guy who has to read and decide about all those reports. Airports used to be surrounded by trees until all those reports.

prevented only by a vigilant tug crew.

There are airports where the air-crew is given clearance to push & start and the vigilant tug-crew are responsible for the safe push. A crash was prevented by a vigilant push-back crew and ground-man. Isn't that exactly what they are for. Congrats for doing their job in the same way we prevent crashes every day even though being surrounded by threats of multiple proportions & varieties.

There is a tongue in a cheek somewhere, but let's get real and find a sense of proportion; Please. JFK, O'Hare, Boston, and most of African airports would be never get through the day.
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