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Old 18th Jun 2015, 09:32
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HT, what I should have said was somebody else owns the Jet2 brand, or trademark or whatever you want to call it.

That's why it's called Jet2.com.
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 09:15
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Jet2 Expand Winter Sun Programme

Jet2.com and Jet2holidays Expand Winter Sun Programme | Jet2.com

The additional flights will run between 30th September and 16th November 2015, to ALC and PMI. The venture is part of an expansion for Jet2holidays to two of its most popular destinations. There will be a total of 42 extra flights, providing over 7000 new seats to the Costa Blanca alone. The extra flights to ALC will operate from GLA, LBA, and MAN, an will coincide with the Benidorm Fiesta, between 7-11 November 2015.

The expansion in the programme to PMI from as early as 11th February 2016, will operate from EDI, LBA, and MAN. It is aimed at not only sun-seekers, but cyclists and golfers too. It will be ran through Jet2holidays and Jet2CityBreaks, the city breaks mainly taking place during Feb-May, before the summer holiday rush
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 16:12
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Flying programme expansion Summer 2016.
Will the flying programme expansion maintain the fleet additions that have been seen recently?

Looking at the fleet expansion to date, since the 8th of January 2011 until 23rd of April 2015, there have been 26 aircraft additions to the JET2 fleet and only two aircraft have been retired. The yearly average expansion is in the region of 6 aircraft. The B738NG made their first appearance in 1998 and there are a good number available on the second hand market now and many more will become available as time passes and even more so, when the B738MAX becomes available. JET2 shouldn’t find any difficulties in finding suitably priced B738s.

Although JET2 are running a Boeing fleet they do have a mixed fleet, since the aircraft types are different. With this in mind an order for newly manufatured aircraft, as rumoured, would make sense. Their best bet would be, as has been suggested, to go for the Airbus 320NEO and the Airbus 321NEO, particularly if the order comes off the back of the Norwegian order of 100 units placed with Airbus in 2011. The A320NEO can be configured with 189 seats in a one class layout and the A321NEO can be configured with 200 seats on a one class layout. This would marry well with the B738s and the B752s in the present fleet. Also the Airbus aircraft could be delivered as from 2018/19, which is in time to replace some of the much older aircraft that JET2 would need to retire. The question here is whether Norwegian are prepared to hand over the rights of part of their order to JET2 and at the keen price they would have negotiated at the time with Airbus or for what commission could the deal be sealed? It is well known that both Airbus and Boeing will reduce the price list of their aircraft considerably on large orders and if JET2 had the advantage of such prices, they could seek loans for their purchase that would beat any leasing costs. This would help cover the costs of having the aircraft under-utilised in the winter months.

The other possibility of ordering newly manufatured B738MAXs would seem to be out of the question, since the orders are now hovering around the 3,000 mark, which means delivery would be in about 6 years.

Obviously the option that would appear to be on the table, since there has been no announcement of any order of new aircraft from Airbus, is to maintain the acquisition of second hand B738s and slowly replace the B733s and B752s as and when they need to be retired.
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...is to maintain the acquisition of second hand B738s and slowly replace the B733s and B752s as and when they need to be retired.
At the moment I believe that this is the route they are most likely to take. Now, more than ever, the 737NG on the second hand market is becoming increasingly cheaper, with the release of the 737MAX. My wonder is whether Jet2 will replace some of the 737-300s with some 737-700s, or whether they'll just stick with the constant addition of the 738. Of course, as we have seen, the size of the 733 is a useful compliment to the bigger 738, especially on the shallower city routes.

Personally, I really don't see Jet2 changing from a Boeing to an Airbus/a mixed Boeing and Airbus fleet. I think that Jet2 will stick with what they know - either continuing to expand with second hand 738s, or potentially place an order for brand new 737NGs (-700s and/or -800s) when the first 737MAXs start to roll out, as the price of new NGs will be significantly cheaper then.

Of course, whilst there is a clear replacement for the ageing 737-300s, this still leaves the replacement of the 737-300QC, and the 757-200.

Though nothing can truly replace the 757, Jet2 are either going to have to down/upsize. To downsize, the most logical solutions lie in either the 738's they have currently, the 737MAX 200s (though unlikely), or the A321. I don't think downsizing would be the best way, but I wouldn't rule it out. To upsize, the most logical solution would be the 767-300. Both the 75 and the 76 began production at the same time, only the 763 is still being produced. The addition of 763s would allow for increased capacity on bucket and spades, as well as an increase on seasonal NY flights. Of course, the addition of larger aircraft could potentially bring substance to scheduled long haul ops, as part of Jet2holidays.

Personally, I think that the 767 would make more sense as opposed to the A330, mainly because;
  • It would maintain a common type (Boeing)
  • The 757 and 767 share a common TR, meaning current pilots require less adjustment training, and hence is cheaper
  • Similar Boeing parts library

Whilst there are a few options for the 757, there are only two options for replacement of the 737-300QC.

If Jet2 were to start to replace some of the older 733's in favour of NGs, Jet2 could have some of the 733s converted into Cargo only like G-CELW. This however, is not a long term solution.

Other than that, the second option is to have some P to F 737NGs. IAI Bedek have launched a program that converts 737-700s (and later -800s) into P to F aircraft. The viability of the Royal Mail contract does come under scrutiny in such case, but for a seasonal airline like Jet2, the Mail flights help tide over some of the less busy winter operations

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Old 24th Jun 2015, 11:38
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The present policy of acquiring more and more B738s is undisputable and I spotted that in the last three years they have acquired 6 x 17 year old B733s, which upholds your view that JET2 consider them a useful compliment for city routes and less popular destinations. Perhaps this trend to acquire ‘younger’ B733s to replace the older ones may well continue and could be the solution to the very old QC version. The question is whether the QC B733 is manufactured as such or whether it is a conversion.

The possibility of an early Airbus order, if the conditions are right, with a delivery in about three years’ time should not be discounted. Remember that JET2 has 8 fairly watertight bases and could easily designate any of these bases to be Airbus only, the same as has happened to Glasgow, which is B738 only. The aircraft rarely move between bases and neither do the pilots and other crews, mechanics. So long as the carrying capacities of the different types of aircraft in the fleet are the same/similar, then back up aircraft are always available, which is the most important aspect due to EU261.

The leasing of an A330 for next summer is still being mooted but as you say 2 or 3 B767s to replace the older B757s would be ideal if they finally decide to remain exclusively Boeing and would cover the New York shopping trips and open up other LH possibilities for JET2 Holidays. Time will tell and probably before the end of the year, as Norwegian will need to start distributing their 100 Airbus order between airlines and leasing companies, unless they themselves are going for a mixed fleet.

Not sure if I'm spotting correctly but the new registrations for JET2 aircraft could be interpreted as meaning, Jet 2 Holidays (JZH). There are now four such registrations, JZHA, JZHB, JZHC and JZHD.
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 17:29
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the new registrations for JET2 aircraft could be interpreted as meaning, Jet 2 Holidays (JZH).
Good Spot! Would never have thought it, but now you mention it, could not agree more.

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Tunisia hotel attack: Jet2 sends three planes to bring up to 1,200 UK passengers home - Mirror Online

With all that has been happening in Tunisia, Jet2 have sent 3 aircraft down to fetch passengers back up from NBE, with a fourth on standby. G-LSAB is en route back to MAN currently as EXS011X, whilst G-LSAK is en route to NBE as EXS014P.

As a result, we have seen various chartered aircraft operating from MAN at the moment:

Yesterday: I-NEOS, B737-800 operated LS953/4 from MAN - PMI.

Today: CS-TFT, B767-300ER is currently en route as LS781/2 from MAN-LPA.

Of course, the priority is to get people back home, and clearly Jet2 have exercised this, irrespective of the costs applicable to them. The 757 has its work cut out at the moment!
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The JZH registrations were meant to stand for J2H as you have noticed.. It was intentional.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 15:39
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Tunisia Information

New Tunisia Information Page. The page details that;
  • A third aircraft is on standby at NBE
  • Jet2 are carrying passengers home from other tour operators
  • The CEO and 5 other senoir memebers are in Tunisia now
  • Two additional aircraft and crew are on standby in the UK currently, if required

Additional aircraft on charter today:

CS-TFT, Boeing 767-300ER operating LS937/8 from MAN-PFO
G-POWK, Airbus A320-232 operated LS801/2 from MAN-VCE, currently en route back to STN.

Good to see that the top dogs have flown down there, and they'll be visiting hotels in affected areas
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 20:04
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Jet2 aren't having a good day with this summers leased aircraft from both Titan and Privilege.

Titan Airways 757-200 G-ZAPX, is currently operating LS120 IBZ-GLA. It has flown all day today from GLA, and was ferried in last night from BHX. Meanwhile, leased A320 G-POWM has not flown since 30/06. I assume that G-POWM is tech up in GLA. It shows, a relatively new Airbus is rescued by a 15 yr old Boeing. The Good old 757

Meanwhile in MAN, PVG 757-200 EC-HDS has been covering leased aircraft EC-ISY's flying duties today, after already being in position at MAN, previously operating flights for MON
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Jet2 aren't having a good day with this summers leased aircraft from both Titan and Privilege.
That makes a change, since many on here are of the opinion that only JET2 have a fleet that is always needing TLC from their engineers.

Tunisia:
Any idea what the decisions might be that need to be taken on the Tunisia programme till the end of the season and for next summer 2016? With the Foreign Office stating, “Further terrorist attacks are likely, including in tourist resorts” The outcome of deliberations by the Tour Operators is unlikely to be favourable to Tunisia.
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Old 5th Jul 2015, 20:48
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Jet2_738:

This has appeared on PPJN and should bring a smile to your face:

Orders:
confirmed for 2016 6xB738 and a possible acquisition of 10xB737-700 to gradually replace the B733
All the best,

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A 30 year old a/c taking me to Pisa in August

Boeing 737-300 G-CELP

Hope the maintenance guys have been on the ball....
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confirmed for 2016 6xB738 and a possible acquisition of 10xB737-700 to gradually replace the B733
"should bring a smile to your face" - it does!

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The 6x738 was obvious, and Jet2 obviously see this as their way of expansion. After all, the 737NG is an extremely versatile range of aircraft, and aquiring these second hand suits Jet2 down to the ground.

In terms of the possible 10x737-700, I really do think that it is a viable option for Jet2. They are the immediate replacement for the 733 in terms of capacity, but outdo the 733 in every other category.

Jet2's business model means they acquire, and usually buy outright the aircraft second hand. The second hand market is huge for the 738, and is only getting bigger as companies prepare for the upcoming MAX's - this something Jet2 have, and are taking advantage of. So, with a wide range of airlines to acquire the 738's, does anyone have any ideas where they could acquire the 737-700's from?
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You're using ppjn as a source? That same ppjn had jet2 ordering 707's (with garmin gps) at the previous update! It can be edited and updated by anyone with no checking of information.
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I heard that its a fleet of Concordes next. They meet the age criterior now.
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You're using ppjn as a source? That same ppjn had jet2 ordering 707's (with garmin gps) at the previous update! It can be edited and updated by anyone with no checking of information.
Yes, spotted the joker that published the B707 order, which was ignored but of course was useful, as it prompted someone perhaps in the know to publish something that is credible, i.e. an order of 6 x B738s for 2016, which doesn’t differ from JET2’s previous history of additions to their fleet, and a plausible solution for replacement of their older B733s with B737-700NGs.

In the main JET2 forum there was also talk of an AirbusNEO order of new airframes on the back of the Norwegian order placed in 2011, some, me included thought it a reasonable proposition but this new ppjn posting sounds much more believable.
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I heard that its a fleet of Concordes next. They meet the age criterior now.
Pity your IQ doesn't. In all seriousness though, I did chuckle.
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Why would "someone in the know" publish commercially sensitive information on an obscure website that is mainly visited by wannabe pilots, people looking for a new job and spotters. At best it's foolish at worst it could lead them liable to disciplinary action from their managers.
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I suspect "because they can" and "they've got to prove who it was" would be the answers.
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Jet2 Removes Tunisia S2016

This morning, Jet2 have released a statement regarding NBE for Summer 2016 on their website: Jet2 stop selling flights and holidays to Tunisia

Jet2.com and Jet2holidays has stopped selling flights and holidays to Tunisia for the remainder of this year and summer 2016. The article states that instead, the airline has added more flights and holidays to their most popular holiday destinations.

With this and next summer no longer on sale, I suspect it'll be a considerable amount of time until (if) we see NBE back on the the Jet2 destination map again.
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