Embraer test aircraft jow landing St Maarten
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Embraer test aircraft jow landing St Maarten
So... Real or fake? By my calculations if this is real I would be very surprised if they made it over the threshold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-Qq8hLXtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALnuK_r5VhY
Watch A Brazilian Plane Nearly Miss The Caribbean's Most Famous Runway
Three different angles of the same landing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-Qq8hLXtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALnuK_r5VhY
Watch A Brazilian Plane Nearly Miss The Caribbean's Most Famous Runway
Three different angles of the same landing.
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Both look real, but I can't find a single person in the crowd that is the same in first and second video. A taxi minivan in the first video is also not in the second. Did they land like this more than once?
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Angle 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx1NvSz_Cls
At 11 seconds it appears to have the lady in yellow with the black hat and her friend/daught in orange to her left
At 11 seconds it appears to have the lady in yellow with the black hat and her friend/daught in orange to her left
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The aircraft in question in PP-XMA which is owned by Embraer, they use it for test and demonstration flights. I've heard some people say that they may have done this just to give the spectators a "show" I can't really bring myself to believe that.
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Definitely, watching landings at St Maarten is one of the attractions:
Takeoffs are second to none:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu91oZ2_Vag
Takeoffs are second to none:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu91oZ2_Vag
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Love it. One contributor has it that the aircraft wouldn't make the threshold, another has it that the place is a bloodbath waiting to happen.
Thankfully the Netherlands Antilles authorities have not been injected with the health and safety virus. People who inhabit the beach area are presumed to have the sense to take care of themselves, those who don't have only themselves to blame. Local drivers respect the aircraft crossing signs, it's the visitors in hire cars who generally risk it.
From time to time there is a lower than average landing but the beach, the approach and the watchers have been there a very long time. As for me, a seat in the bar or standing on the opposite side of the beach is best for photography.
Thankfully the Netherlands Antilles authorities have not been injected with the health and safety virus. People who inhabit the beach area are presumed to have the sense to take care of themselves, those who don't have only themselves to blame. Local drivers respect the aircraft crossing signs, it's the visitors in hire cars who generally risk it.
From time to time there is a lower than average landing but the beach, the approach and the watchers have been there a very long time. As for me, a seat in the bar or standing on the opposite side of the beach is best for photography.
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People who inhabit the beach area are presumed to have the sense to take care of themselves, those who don't have only themselves to blame.
It's 'elf n' safety 'gorn mad, I tells ya!
RE videos of the Embraer - they look legit to me. Notice how much more impact that landing has on the crowd than the others - hard to fake the blowing sand and reactions.
Have no idea why the low approach was considered necessary or useful.
Literally two days ago (March 5) I stood on that beach (long sad story involving a medevac, that is not germain). Saw only small stuff landing - WinAir Twotters and a copter. The Twotters crossed the threshold about 150 feet up in a steep descent - not even close to the crowd.
There are numerous signs along the fence paralleling the road, warning of low-flying aircraft and physical danger from jet blast - so I figure the people who want to risk it (including me) know the situation.
Have no idea why the low approach was considered necessary or useful.
Literally two days ago (March 5) I stood on that beach (long sad story involving a medevac, that is not germain). Saw only small stuff landing - WinAir Twotters and a copter. The Twotters crossed the threshold about 150 feet up in a steep descent - not even close to the crowd.
There are numerous signs along the fence paralleling the road, warning of low-flying aircraft and physical danger from jet blast - so I figure the people who want to risk it (including me) know the situation.
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St Maarten is surely a bloodbath waiting to happen
Have you ever sat at the Sunset Beach Bar and watched aircraft land and depart?
Have you even been to St. Maarten?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Oh, the aircraft was way too low, no need for that.
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EGLD, what if? Ah the driving force behind the health and safety brigade. What if an aircraft is crippled and falls out of the sky over any city in the world?? Quick, clear all buildings and enforce a sanitised area three miles wide along every approach path otherwise there could be a bloodbath!!!!
The world is full of risk. People at the beach make a choice. That's what adults who don't need a nanny do. My choice is to stay either side of the approach path which won't help me much if your bloodbath is caused by anything much bigger than a light twin landing short but I've been around aircraft most of my life and can accept the odds.
Apart from the odd commuter flight, most aircraft have a long straight in approach over the water and it is obvious to all but the most oblivious just how high or low any approaching aircraft is.
The Embraer was probably the lowest approach I've seen there either in life or on film. Had he been six feet lower he would probably have undershot, as would have happened with such an approach at any airfield.
If I were you I'd keep away from approach paths and, come to that, airshows or anywhere else where there is a risk!!!
The world is full of risk. People at the beach make a choice. That's what adults who don't need a nanny do. My choice is to stay either side of the approach path which won't help me much if your bloodbath is caused by anything much bigger than a light twin landing short but I've been around aircraft most of my life and can accept the odds.
Apart from the odd commuter flight, most aircraft have a long straight in approach over the water and it is obvious to all but the most oblivious just how high or low any approaching aircraft is.
The Embraer was probably the lowest approach I've seen there either in life or on film. Had he been six feet lower he would probably have undershot, as would have happened with such an approach at any airfield.
If I were you I'd keep away from approach paths and, come to that, airshows or anywhere else where there is a risk!!!
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The world is full of risk. People at the beach make a choice. That's what adults who don't need a nanny do. My choice is to stay either side of the approach path which won't help me much if your bloodbath is caused by anything much bigger than a light twin landing short but I've been around aircraft most of my life and can accept the odds.
Since the internet has made this approach famous it seems like some of the JerkTards driving some of these aircraft get a chubby by showing off not simply much different than an exhibitionist stripper on a pole. It feed's their ego. Until they kill themselves they can both call themselves professionals. Only difference is that the stripper does not kill hundreds of innocents when she falls off the pole, hell she may still get to pick up the single dollars thrown at her.
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grounded 27, that's one of the most ridiculous posts I've read. Have you ever been there? I suggest you post links to all the videos that have led you to forming such an opinion.
I first visited St Maarten over 20 years ago, landing in a Lufthansa DC-10 which was an experience landing and taking off. We had a slightly longer transit due to a small technical issue and so I decided to excuse myself and go for a walk for a couple of hours, which took me to Maho Beach. There were few people, better beaches elsewhere and the bar was only really busy in the late afternoon/evenings and seemed to be a haunt of taxi drivers waiting for particular flights to bring customers. Very easy going and a hidden gem. I remember telling a friend on returning to Europe about the location who poo-pooed my story until the film I took was developed a few days later. He worked for a magazine company in France and, perhaps by chance, perhaps not a few photos of AF 747's landing appeared some months later and it became better known.
Cue internet and thousands of photos, you tubes, blogs, and Maho Beach has become a destination in it's own right for tourists (and the odd aviation enthusiast) who want to be close up with landing aircraft. As mentioned, the majority of airliners land with a margin to spare, no doubt due to rigorous SOP's, a few of the 747's have a tougher time with the margin in certain conditions due to their size, but there does seem to be a bit of 'hot-dogging' by some of the smaller biz jets and non-airline aircraft seemingly wanting to gain a bit of notoriety on social media. All well and good, as as long as they don't land before the threshold, it's within the rules, but as can be seen from one of these above films (can't remember which one) the distance from the Embraer's wheels and the roof the moving blue/grey taxi is very small, as with a few of the thrill seeker's heads. They are adults and are willing to trade their lives against the thrill of close contact with a fast moving loud flying machine. For me, with these lower landing craft the risk is too great and at some point the holes in the cheese will translate to holes in heads. Airshows are tame compared with yesteryear, which is a crying shame, but in saying that the number of spectators who lost their lives and others terribly injured when things did go wrong in the past seems to be no more.
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Cue internet and thousands of photos, you tubes, blogs, and Maho Beach has become a destination in it's own right for tourists (and the odd aviation enthusiast) who want to be close up with landing aircraft. As mentioned, the majority of airliners land with a margin to spare, no doubt due to rigorous SOP's, a few of the 747's have a tougher time with the margin in certain conditions due to their size, but there does seem to be a bit of 'hot-dogging' by some of the smaller biz jets and non-airline aircraft seemingly wanting to gain a bit of notoriety on social media. All well and good, as as long as they don't land before the threshold, it's within the rules, but as can be seen from one of these above films (can't remember which one) the distance from the Embraer's wheels and the roof the moving blue/grey taxi is very small, as with a few of the thrill seeker's heads. They are adults and are willing to trade their lives against the thrill of close contact with a fast moving loud flying machine. For me, with these lower landing craft the risk is too great and at some point the holes in the cheese will translate to holes in heads. Airshows are tame compared with yesteryear, which is a crying shame, but in saying that the number of spectators who lost their lives and others terribly injured when things did go wrong in the past seems to be no more.
SHJ
There are numerous signs along the fence paralleling the road, warning of low-flying aircraft and physical danger from jet blast - so I figure the people who want to risk it (including me) know the situation.
I'd like to think that those ppl willingly and deliberately taking the risk, worse come to worse, would pay for their medical expenses and not expect the community to foot the bill.
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On all my landings at St Maarten I never dragged the aircraft in low over the threshold to amuse the tourists, not even in the 727. It was always a normal approach and landing in the touchdown zone.
There is no reason to do that as the runway is long enough for normal operations. If it was not, one should not attempt to land there.
Now, sitting at the Sunset Beach Bar (which I used to do a lot) I have seen a lot of pilots, both airline and corporate cross the road just off the end of the runway way too low. Stupidly low and sad to say, most are airliners. Which in my mind needs to be addressed by airline management, not governmental regulatory means.
Also I have observed while sitting at the Sunset Beach Bar (which I used to do a lot) that the tourists that gather on the beach off the end of the runway mostly enjoy standing under the arriving aircraft even when the approach is normal. The main reason these idiots, err tourists, are there is for the takeoffs of large airliners, especially 747s, so that they can get blown off the beach into the water by the thrust of the engines at max power on takeoff.
Human nature, what can you say.
Never the less, the road and beach should not be closed. After all, as an Admiral once told me, “Ya got to expect losses.”
There is no reason to do that as the runway is long enough for normal operations. If it was not, one should not attempt to land there.
Now, sitting at the Sunset Beach Bar (which I used to do a lot) I have seen a lot of pilots, both airline and corporate cross the road just off the end of the runway way too low. Stupidly low and sad to say, most are airliners. Which in my mind needs to be addressed by airline management, not governmental regulatory means.
Also I have observed while sitting at the Sunset Beach Bar (which I used to do a lot) that the tourists that gather on the beach off the end of the runway mostly enjoy standing under the arriving aircraft even when the approach is normal. The main reason these idiots, err tourists, are there is for the takeoffs of large airliners, especially 747s, so that they can get blown off the beach into the water by the thrust of the engines at max power on takeoff.
Human nature, what can you say.
Never the less, the road and beach should not be closed. After all, as an Admiral once told me, “Ya got to expect losses.”
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Image of the landing at following link.
Photos: Embraer 190LR (ERJ-190-100LR) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Image of the landing at following link.
Photos: Embraer 190LR (ERJ-190-100LR) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
