BA Pilot ATC Incident at DUB

[Officer Kite]

This happened at Dublin on the 24th of Dec. There have allegedly been reports filed and the rest. Some are calling the pilot arrogant and selfish and others saying the lady was cranky. Judge for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWg7IpphPc8

Regards,

[RobShan]

Without hearing what came before; an understanding the circumstances around clearance to line up, it's hard to judge fairly.

[eagle21]

When she asked them to vacate the runway three times why didn't they?

[Sop_Monkey]

If that's what going on with the radio, would be interested to know what's going on in the cockpit.

[Anotherday]

You can't tell ATC you're ready when you're not and then line up without the cabin seated, that's unprofessional. If you tell ATC you'll be 2 minutes and if there's nothing in finals they might let you line up. This whole idea that once you're there lined up the whole world can wait for you is BS. Pretty obvious BA were in the wrong and doing everything they could to not be delayed themselves while delaying everyone else.

[deadcut]

What's with the "fully ready" rubbish? What's next? Completely fully and definitely ready.

[sunnySA]

At Sydney, Nigel were getting to the holding point and not being ready and delaying other aircraft (up to 20 mins) - "just waiting for the load sheet". Eventually this was stopped as BA are now "fully" aware that they can't proceed to the holding point until they are ready.

[Consol]

He was also asked twice by the previous (ground) controller if he was ready very explicitly as the BA form of 'not having our numbers' is well known.
I don't think he would try this carry on in LHR, ORD or JFK.

[Kefuddle]

Deadcut,

What's the matter with "fully ready"? Like "fully established". Everybody knows you might otherwise be partially established on an ILS and that ATC may not be aware of the difference

[Two's in]

Well someone's headed for his 15 minutes of fame.

[CISTRS]

Some are calling the pilot arrogant and selfish and others saying the lady was cranky.

The lady ATC officer was far from cranky. Rupert's (or Nigel's?) arrogance shines through.

[deadcut]

How can you be partially established on the ILS? You are either established or you are not.

Found this on another website:

He's obviously using the new ATC nomenclature that came in effect at Jan 1st:

-Ready for departure: We've made up our minds where we want to go, now we can start up the engines

-Fully ready for departure: Engines are running, passengers are inside, now starting checklist

-Fully fully ready for departure: start up checklist completed, now starting with takeoff checklist

-Absolutely, completely, really, really and fully ready for departure to the fullest, now give us take off clearance immediately or else: "ready for departure" in 2014 speech

[sagan]

Ignoring an ATC instruction. Standards issue. Bad reflection on BA

[Loose rivets]

Give the bloke a break. Everyone knows Slightly Ready is what he meant.

[Sqwak7700]

Sorry, but the controller is in the wrong. She kept interrupting him while he was carrying out his last minute checks. Good ATC understands that you are not just sitting there talking on the radio. Talking on the radio is only a small portion of our job.

And we are not psychic about what goes on in the cabin. If the cabin is almost always ready in 5 minutes, but on said day something goes wrong, we can't be expected to magically figure this out with no input from the back. Maybe some passenger got up just as the cabin got ready to call ready to the cockpit.

The speed bird pilot to me seemed quite calm and collected. Controller should understand that interrupting a checklist in most airlines requires that checklist to be read again from the beginning. Pretty standard procedures in most airlines to prevent missed items.

And asking pilot's to hurry should be internationally abolished. It has no place in aviation, everyone should assume that everyone is doing their best. We all are busy doing things behind the scenes. Silence on the frequency does not equate to inactivity off of it.

[SMOC]

7700 you must be kidding, there's no way he was ready and he was clearly stalling for more time.

Good ATC understands that when you say fully ready you are in fact ready, not I'm fully ready except for a couple of things that aren't, such as waiting to hear from the cabin crew and waiting to do a checklist.

[First.officer]

Exactly SMOC......he had no place just sitting there.....told to vacate the active, should have done just that. End of.

[wiggy]

told to vacate the active, should have done just that. End of.

And when asked to "stand-by" perhaps the controller should have done just that, "End of".......

(FWIW we don't know what was going on in the Flight Deck and/or the Cabin, and funnily enough neither did the controller).

[SMOC]

Wiggy what part of are you ready aren't you clear about?

Ready = take off
Not ready = get out of the way

But I don't want to get out of the way so I'll call standby

[wiggy]

Wiggy what part of are you ready aren't you clear about?

Let me think.... Yep, got it thanks, I'm so glad I got this far in my aviation life without realising what that call meant - thanks for pointing out the gap in my knowledge.

You're perfect of course, but some of us have encountered situations when you were ready, called it, been lined up and then for unknown reasons you're suddenly not ready (cabin, EICAS, etc)...and if any critical thinking is involved ( along the lines of is it even safe to taxi?)perhaps you just need ATC to stand by for a few seconds.

I don't know what went on on this flight, I suspect neither do you...