Jumpseat with EZS
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Jumpseat with EZS
Hello again !
I'll fly with EasyJet Swizerland, SunExpress and Pegasus Airlines the following week.
I think to write a letter to the Captain to get access to the jumpseat during t/o, CRZ, or LDG, for the first time.
I already flew many times with EZS, and I always had access to the cockpit but only at the end of the flight, with simply asking to flight attendants, but they never asked to the captain when I asked them at the boarding, (that's normal, they are busy in the same time..) but only at the end of the flight..
So that's why I'll write a letter this time, and for Turkish companies, I also flew with both of them, SXS accepted me before the flight one time (I was lucky as the Steward was in training to become a pilot), but I can't say the same for Pegasus that never accept before or after flight..
So, what can I write in my letter to maximise my chance ?
Thanks !
I'll fly with EasyJet Swizerland, SunExpress and Pegasus Airlines the following week.
I think to write a letter to the Captain to get access to the jumpseat during t/o, CRZ, or LDG, for the first time.
I already flew many times with EZS, and I always had access to the cockpit but only at the end of the flight, with simply asking to flight attendants, but they never asked to the captain when I asked them at the boarding, (that's normal, they are busy in the same time..) but only at the end of the flight..
So that's why I'll write a letter this time, and for Turkish companies, I also flew with both of them, SXS accepted me before the flight one time (I was lucky as the Steward was in training to become a pilot), but I can't say the same for Pegasus that never accept before or after flight..
So, what can I write in my letter to maximise my chance ?
Thanks !
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you won't be able to access the cockpit of any EZY/EZS aircraft during any part of the flight regime. Unfortunately it is company policy. You will of course be able to ask to visit the cockpit before of after the flight.
Can't speak of other airlines, but I seem to remember it being an EU/EASA rule. Maybe someone can confirm this?
Can't speak of other airlines, but I seem to remember it being an EU/EASA rule. Maybe someone can confirm this?
but for now it is against the law in most countries following 9/11
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In my company (EU based but not EZY) it is forbidden and as above this is I believe a LAW not a company policy. Our policy itself is that only employees in uniform displaying valid ID or inspectors with appropriate ID are allowed on the flight deck during flight. I think I also read somewhere a while ago that one of the post holders of a department (perhaps post holder flight ops) was able to authorise someone else if they received a written request for exceptional circumstances. Never heard of it happening though and I might have recalled that incorrectly anyway.
It's certainly contrary to EU law (EU185 and Commission Decision 774) and therefore (naturally) it's prohibited in easyJet's company manuals also. Some of the less scrupulous EU operators might (unlawfully) allow it, but as easyJet aren't cowboys I'm sure that your letter will get a polite reply in the negative. Sorry for the bad news.
It's certainly contrary to EU law (EU185 and Commission Decision 774)
I'll quote it tomorrow Dave, once I'm in work and have access to the lot. It may well be in the 774 which of course is restricted so couldn't be quoted, but either way I'll let you know where it resides.
I'm also wondering if the SCD applies to the easyJet Swiss fleet, I'd guess that it likely does. There's a fair bit on in flight security in there too. Not sure what MSMs the Swiss Government set, if any.
I'm also wondering if the SCD applies to the easyJet Swiss fleet, I'd guess that it likely does. There's a fair bit on in flight security in there too. Not sure what MSMs the Swiss Government set, if any.
Can you quote the section of EU 185 that relates to airborne flight deck visits ? It's not immediately obvious in that document.
The baseline comes from ICAO annex 17 which states:
4.3.3 Each Contracting State shall require its commercial air transport operators to take measures as appropriate to ensure that during flight unauthorized persons are prevented from entering the flight crew compartment.
So the EU loosely do that in the framework regulation in typical wishy washy style: (Chapter 10)
Without prejudice to the applicable aviation safety rules: Unauthorised persons shall be prevented from entering the flight crew compartment during a flight;
Which does leave a lot of room for interpretation as to who exactly is "authorised", but then each member state sets out in writing in their MSMs what they would specifically regard as "authorised".
In the UK, the SCD has a definitive list of categories of persons who the regulator would accept as being authorised. All of my colleagues in other member states have similar lists. Sadly for our OP, "polite chaps who write nice letters" don't appear on those lists, it tends to be crew, training crew, positioning crew, some other categories of airline employee, and regulatory bodies.
It might be worth a punt for the OP, easyJet's Swiss fleet may not be subject to the UK MSMs, and Switzerland's definition of authorised may be looser than ours.
Thanks for that.
Yes, I would agree that, given the captain has absolute authority, it would be hard to argue that anyone legitimately invited to the flight deck by him/her isn't then duly authorised to be there.
Which does leave a lot of room for interpretation as to who exactly is "authorised", but then each member state sets out in writing in their MSMs what they would specifically regard as "authorised".