Paying for an interview??
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Paying for an interview??
Is it fairly normal to pay for an interview?
Not naming any names but i have applied for sponsorship and they charge around £150 for the interview.
Not naming any names but i have applied for sponsorship and they charge around £150 for the interview.
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Educate your friends too!!!
Please do not pay the money for an interview. They need you to operate their aircraft and therefore you should not be paying them for the privillage of having your skills on the flight deck. You have invested a great deal of time and money into your profession. Do not allow the possibility of flying for a airline suck you into this ridiculous practice of having to pay to obtain employment.
When will this stop!!!!! I beg all young aspiring aviators to please stop this madness. They need you not the other way around. Stick it out until you are able to work your way into the flight deck of a respectable airline that treats us all as professionals without having to pay for the anything other than your licences.
I strongly ask all aspiring pilots to consider what they are doing to the profession by paying for acceptance of applications, interviews or type ratings. You are destroying your own careers. All senior pilots have progressed to this point without having to pay for any of the above so you can too.
I strongly urge you all to tell this company, and any other, to shove it and be patient. these companies are taking advantage of young pilots who would do anything to be an airline pilot. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are destroying your own careers and our profession by paying these fees.The market is picking up and you all will find work without having to take part in these absolutely stupid employment requirements.
AC100
When will this stop!!!!! I beg all young aspiring aviators to please stop this madness. They need you not the other way around. Stick it out until you are able to work your way into the flight deck of a respectable airline that treats us all as professionals without having to pay for the anything other than your licences.
I strongly ask all aspiring pilots to consider what they are doing to the profession by paying for acceptance of applications, interviews or type ratings. You are destroying your own careers. All senior pilots have progressed to this point without having to pay for any of the above so you can too.
I strongly urge you all to tell this company, and any other, to shove it and be patient. these companies are taking advantage of young pilots who would do anything to be an airline pilot. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are destroying your own careers and our profession by paying these fees.The market is picking up and you all will find work without having to take part in these absolutely stupid employment requirements.
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Everybody applying with this particular outfit should ask themselves: What does this tell you about the way you will be treated when hired?
Will this really be a desirable employer?
Will this really be a desirable employer?
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Top post, I'm instructing at the moment and am absolutey desperate to get a go at the right hand seat, BUT im not desperate enough to pay for a job.
This plays straight into the hand of the beancounters,over time this practice will filter its way up the chain and start to affect pensions, pay, conditions and a whole lot of other things. So pay for the job today and you will pay all your life, if we all stick together and no one pays then what are they going to do? Start cancelling flights, I think not.
If you pay you are prostituting everything you have trained for, hang in there it will happen soon and hopefully these unscrupulous t*@t's will gets what coming.
Which one is it by the way because a few are at it?
Top post, I'm instructing at the moment and am absolutey desperate to get a go at the right hand seat, BUT im not desperate enough to pay for a job.
This plays straight into the hand of the beancounters,over time this practice will filter its way up the chain and start to affect pensions, pay, conditions and a whole lot of other things. So pay for the job today and you will pay all your life, if we all stick together and no one pays then what are they going to do? Start cancelling flights, I think not.
If you pay you are prostituting everything you have trained for, hang in there it will happen soon and hopefully these unscrupulous t*@t's will gets what coming.
Which one is it by the way because a few are at it?
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Lou, since when did Ryanair offer sponsorship???????
I'm sure that "whatever" company that it is would argue that if they were willing to invest x$$$ on training you, you should be willing to invest $150 on the interview?
I think that the real question should be, is this a reputable company and do you trust them?
Mutt.
PS, as you can guess, this keyboard doesnt have the UK pound symbol........
I'm sure that "whatever" company that it is would argue that if they were willing to invest x$$$ on training you, you should be willing to invest $150 on the interview?
I think that the real question should be, is this a reputable company and do you trust them?
Mutt.
PS, as you can guess, this keyboard doesnt have the UK pound symbol........
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mutt, your argument in 'apparently' agreeing with the principal that an airline is justified in charging to read your CV, or for giving you an interview, is way off the mark. £200 total is hardly a matter that should concern them is it? Not with the cost of training at around £15k for a 737 rating its not.
It is another example of MO dragging every single penny from ANY direction he can. He is an accountant, and his particular kind will go to any lengths to make the books add up.
Just ask yourself this. Why would they want to charge for an interview? Why would they want to charge for reading a CV? A CV is takes two minutes at most, and most get binned. An interview is in their best interests, or a just cynical way of getting £150 hard earned quids. The motive is always money. Why. only MO knows. Their books are are well balanced - unless the figures he flaunts are a pack of lies of course!
It is another example of MO dragging every single penny from ANY direction he can. He is an accountant, and his particular kind will go to any lengths to make the books add up.
Just ask yourself this. Why would they want to charge for an interview? Why would they want to charge for reading a CV? A CV is takes two minutes at most, and most get binned. An interview is in their best interests, or a just cynical way of getting £150 hard earned quids. The motive is always money. Why. only MO knows. Their books are are well balanced - unless the figures he flaunts are a pack of lies of course!
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Food for thought!
Ladies and Gentlemen,
You have all read my post on what i think of the current situation of our profession. So i will not repeat myself. However, once again this is directed to all young aspiring aviators.
The world airlines have for a long time cried that pilots coming and leaving after obtaining type ratings as a huge factor to why they impose these ridiculous cost. So in their wisdom as business people they implemented fees for type ratings initially. Young pilots, not realising the future implecations, excepted the fees and progressed to airline positions. This then lead to fees being introduced for interviews and application acceptance.
As several pilots have pointed out, if a company is willing to treat you in such a manner at the beginning of your relationship woth them, How do you think they will treat you while you are employed by them. The fact that people leave airlines to acquire positions at other airlines is a direct reflection on the treatment of the employee by the employer. This is then a direct indication that these airlines were poor employers in the first place. If you pay and treat your employees with the respect and remunerate them according to their market value, they will not abandon you to find better employment.
Yes it is true that some aspire to fly heavier equipment and thus leave to experience that lifestyle, but they are a fraction of the pilot community.
We have been are worst enemies and it is not the senior aviators that will suffer!. We will have lived are lives the way you all intended to. Therefore, it is up to all you young aspiring pilots to turn this profession back to were it was 10 to 15 years ago and even before that. And the only way to achieve that is by stopping the practices of paying fees.
The airline companies can not blame you for THEIR FINANCIAL MISCONDUCT....so do not allow them to. Your futures are in your own hands ladies and gentlemen. Us old timers will have walked away without having to put up with this nonsense, but remember we did not allow it to become this way. All my peers have never paid for a type rating, interview or application acceptance. When it was thrust upon us we refused and it was put back in the briefcase by the beancounters. DO NOT SELL YOURSELF SHORT. YOU ARE ALL PROFESSIONALS and thus should be TREATED AS SUCH.
I hope this message hits home to all out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Thank you all for putting up with my thoughts.
AC100
You have all read my post on what i think of the current situation of our profession. So i will not repeat myself. However, once again this is directed to all young aspiring aviators.
The world airlines have for a long time cried that pilots coming and leaving after obtaining type ratings as a huge factor to why they impose these ridiculous cost. So in their wisdom as business people they implemented fees for type ratings initially. Young pilots, not realising the future implecations, excepted the fees and progressed to airline positions. This then lead to fees being introduced for interviews and application acceptance.
As several pilots have pointed out, if a company is willing to treat you in such a manner at the beginning of your relationship woth them, How do you think they will treat you while you are employed by them. The fact that people leave airlines to acquire positions at other airlines is a direct reflection on the treatment of the employee by the employer. This is then a direct indication that these airlines were poor employers in the first place. If you pay and treat your employees with the respect and remunerate them according to their market value, they will not abandon you to find better employment.
Yes it is true that some aspire to fly heavier equipment and thus leave to experience that lifestyle, but they are a fraction of the pilot community.
We have been are worst enemies and it is not the senior aviators that will suffer!. We will have lived are lives the way you all intended to. Therefore, it is up to all you young aspiring pilots to turn this profession back to were it was 10 to 15 years ago and even before that. And the only way to achieve that is by stopping the practices of paying fees.
The airline companies can not blame you for THEIR FINANCIAL MISCONDUCT....so do not allow them to. Your futures are in your own hands ladies and gentlemen. Us old timers will have walked away without having to put up with this nonsense, but remember we did not allow it to become this way. All my peers have never paid for a type rating, interview or application acceptance. When it was thrust upon us we refused and it was put back in the briefcase by the beancounters. DO NOT SELL YOURSELF SHORT. YOU ARE ALL PROFESSIONALS and thus should be TREATED AS SUCH.
I hope this message hits home to all out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Thank you all for putting up with my thoughts.
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We already set an enthusiasm test in requiring would be employees to attend an interview without any expenses.This fee is not charged for anything other that to squeeze money out of young people who can ill afford it.
It is a very sad comment on the business ethics of the management of the firm and you can bet your life that it will carry over to their other standards.
Second rate behaviour like this merits being treated as a second rate employer.
It is a very sad comment on the business ethics of the management of the firm and you can bet your life that it will carry over to their other standards.
Second rate behaviour like this merits being treated as a second rate employer.
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This has been a previous Pprune subject - it is actually illegal under English Employment Law (cant quote exactly which statute as we speak) to charge for an interview/consideration for any job...
Some years ago, about 16 I think, I applied for the then CSE Oxford/British Midland Sponsorship and was charged £25 for the priviledge...after being turned down I found out about the above statute and threatened them accordingly...and got my money back...
Some years ago, about 16 I think, I applied for the then CSE Oxford/British Midland Sponsorship and was charged £25 for the priviledge...after being turned down I found out about the above statute and threatened them accordingly...and got my money back...
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money 4 CV or interwiev?
AC 100,
THX a lot 4 ur thoughts and advise.thought I was the only one
not willing to pay 4 an interwiev. BUT ,have 2 admit that I was stupid enough to pay 150 (lbs) for sending my CV to..RA.
Will not happen again.
THX again!!
THX a lot 4 ur thoughts and advise.thought I was the only one
not willing to pay 4 an interwiev. BUT ,have 2 admit that I was stupid enough to pay 150 (lbs) for sending my CV to..RA.
Will not happen again.
THX again!!
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Raptor,
Now that you come to mention it, I'm pretty sure that you are right!
I had an ex-wife who used to work for an employment agency and I remember her saying the very same thing (hence the reason that employment agencies charge the Client commision rather than the candidate !!!
Surely, someone from the unions could do a little digging around on this one. . . . . . ? ? ? ?
Now that you come to mention it, I'm pretty sure that you are right!
I had an ex-wife who used to work for an employment agency and I remember her saying the very same thing (hence the reason that employment agencies charge the Client commision rather than the candidate !!!
Surely, someone from the unions could do a little digging around on this one. . . . . . ? ? ? ?
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Having done a little digging around on the net. I came up with this:
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Not sure if it's of any relevance, but you never know?
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Not sure if it's of any relevance, but you never know?
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Dear Andi,
You obviously acquired the right knowledge after your mistake, so do not punish yourself for doing it. However, make sure others in the same position as you learn and improve everyones lot in this profession. It will take a collective effort. I wish you all luck in your futures endeavours and i hope that all that i have said makes a difference in the progressions of your careers. You all deserve better treatment and career prospects. Safe Flying!!!.
Cheers.
AC100
You obviously acquired the right knowledge after your mistake, so do not punish yourself for doing it. However, make sure others in the same position as you learn and improve everyones lot in this profession. It will take a collective effort. I wish you all luck in your futures endeavours and i hope that all that i have said makes a difference in the progressions of your careers. You all deserve better treatment and career prospects. Safe Flying!!!.
Cheers.
AC100
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I notice that FRs' policy of charging for interviews hasn't changed despite the boast on their banner advertising on Pprune that they have a requirement for 800 pilots.... And what was that profit they announced recently? Must have been all those pilot applications they recieved...
I also notice that they claim on their website that they will not persue applications from non-737 type rated applicants... Good luck to you MO'L - you might need that Irish luck!
I also notice that they claim on their website that they will not persue applications from non-737 type rated applicants... Good luck to you MO'L - you might need that Irish luck!
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When BA took over selected parts of DanAir in 1991,it imposed a 5% pay cut on what was then one of the lowest paid airlines in the country. Naturally, those subjected to this pay cut had to accept it as the alternative was to seek a job in a market which had just been enlarge by approx 500(ex DanAir) job seekers. What the bean counters and jam stealers never put into their finacial considertions was the resentment this engendered in those people. When you consider the post by " I am an army of one"
and realise that this mind set existed 10 years ago, the financial losses to a major airline far outweighed the short term benefits which accrued from their imposing the 5% pay cut, which in any case was rescinded a few years later and presented as a pay rise. Naturally this did not botherthe individual who had first sugested the imposition of the pay cut for he had moved on to to greater things , boosted by the fact that he had, on paper, achieved savings fervthe company.
With age comes wisdom, but very slowly!!!
and realise that this mind set existed 10 years ago, the financial losses to a major airline far outweighed the short term benefits which accrued from their imposing the 5% pay cut, which in any case was rescinded a few years later and presented as a pay rise. Naturally this did not botherthe individual who had first sugested the imposition of the pay cut for he had moved on to to greater things , boosted by the fact that he had, on paper, achieved savings fervthe company.
With age comes wisdom, but very slowly!!!
