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Was on a Trident 1e at Newcastle...sitting over the nose gear.
Massive graunching noise which was from the oleo strutt...informed CC and treated like a moron...we had just had a 1 c land with the nose gear stuck up due to same problem.
They obviously got it fixed in LHR before it stuck.
I sent up to the cockpit on Air Algeria ex Gva after my captain (in civvies) he spotted clear ice on the wing...crew lined up on 23 and opened the taps...my skipper turned ashen...turned off high speed and the SR mechanics took two goes at clearing the ice.
SR ground crew hadn't done their job properly but ice was unexpected as oat way above zero...aircraft had Eco tanked from Algers.
Difficult to see clear ice..we had tell tales retro fitted.
After Mount Helen errupted we had a crew stuck in Anchorage...passengered to Boston...several inches of snow on the wing...dead heading captain informed CC..several times...eventually threatened.
So as aircraft turned onto runway he opened the over wing exit and climbed onto wing....imprisoned by FBI.
Took diplomatic pressure to free him.
Next trip to ANC witnessed a mini snow storm on rotation of same companies aircraft.
Massive graunching noise which was from the oleo strutt...informed CC and treated like a moron...we had just had a 1 c land with the nose gear stuck up due to same problem.
They obviously got it fixed in LHR before it stuck.
I sent up to the cockpit on Air Algeria ex Gva after my captain (in civvies) he spotted clear ice on the wing...crew lined up on 23 and opened the taps...my skipper turned ashen...turned off high speed and the SR mechanics took two goes at clearing the ice.
SR ground crew hadn't done their job properly but ice was unexpected as oat way above zero...aircraft had Eco tanked from Algers.
Difficult to see clear ice..we had tell tales retro fitted.
After Mount Helen errupted we had a crew stuck in Anchorage...passengered to Boston...several inches of snow on the wing...dead heading captain informed CC..several times...eventually threatened.
So as aircraft turned onto runway he opened the over wing exit and climbed onto wing....imprisoned by FBI.
Took diplomatic pressure to free him.
Next trip to ANC witnessed a mini snow storm on rotation of same companies aircraft.
Paxing All Over The World
Fabulous stories, blind pew.
The old 'endangering an aircraft' + 'interferring with the crew' routine? Truth is embarrasing but however uncomfortable it was to be entertained by the FBI, more comfortable than a prang.
I'll bet no one in the FBI turned around to accuse the airline of 'endangering an aircraft'
The old 'endangering an aircraft' + 'interferring with the crew' routine? Truth is embarrasing but however uncomfortable it was to be entertained by the FBI, more comfortable than a prang.
I'll bet no one in the FBI turned around to accuse the airline of 'endangering an aircraft'
Paxboy of you want a few more of my witterings try trustthepilot.blog.com..just writing one piece about a DC 10 nearly being taken out by a pair of Mirages...somewhere in the ether there is a report about it.
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CC requested seat backs upright for TO......they walked past the seat in front of me several times, fully reclined, and blocking MY free exit to 4R should it have been needed. I caught the eye of one CC and pointed to the recline. She managed to persuade the guy to put fully forward.
As we continued to taxi, he then put the recline back in.
I was slightly upset, tapped him on shoulder to ask him to put it forward, he then got very upset that I touched his shoulder, and refused to move. I pointed out that the seat upright was not an option, but a cabin crew INSTRUCTION...anyway he eventually unreclined.
On landing at destination, as we exited on the fast turn off, 20 or so passengers got up and started to unload their overhead baggage.
What is it about the middle east that demonstrated the crass stupidity, or is it that no one has the nerve to say NO.
As we continued to taxi, he then put the recline back in.
I was slightly upset, tapped him on shoulder to ask him to put it forward, he then got very upset that I touched his shoulder, and refused to move. I pointed out that the seat upright was not an option, but a cabin crew INSTRUCTION...anyway he eventually unreclined.
On landing at destination, as we exited on the fast turn off, 20 or so passengers got up and started to unload their overhead baggage.
What is it about the middle east that demonstrated the crass stupidity, or is it that no one has the nerve to say NO.
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Agaricus bisporus....How many hundreds of people would be alive today if just a few had created a commotion instead of just watching the iced/snowed up wings while they took off into oblivion?
How many hundreds of people would be alive if it wasn't left up to un-interested, or bored, or nervous, or trusting passengers to point out possible issues with a piece of machinery they/we know little about? Especially when it comes to snow or ice on the wings.
Surely got to be a better 'system' in place?
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When boarding a KLM Md11 at Amsterdam for my regular flight down to Lagos I noticed (looking through the gap between the aircraft and the boarding tube) that there was a metal lever or handle sticking straight out from an unused door further down the aircraft. I mentioned this to one of the Cabin Crew who said she would inform the Cockpit. She returned a few moments later. "Capt. Vanderblink (or something like that) thanks you very much for your observation. What you can see is quite normal and the lever will close when we put the doors to automatic". Then in a quiet tone. "Would you like a pre-takeoff drink from the Club galley".
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From my experience, CC usually know most of the pilots anyway, so usually know if they are on-board. I prefer to be sitting next to them in J/C in a no emergency mode, discussing things like FADEC thrust settings on a B763 or being asked to dig up a cracked DC-10 windshield for classroom demonstration purposes. Another whisky please.
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Doesn't have to be a pilot, any aviation person with the courage of his/her convictions can, and should, step up to the plate. But you had better be right.
I know it's been said many times but take offs are optional, landings are mandatory.
Certainly flagging up issues is a must, but the manner in which thats done is important.
One such incident I know of involved an Airbus on approach. One of the front row passengers (a PPL holder) heard a noise from cockpit which he believed to be a 'stall warner'. He then proceeded to shout this incorrect conclusion at the cabin crew and in the process scared the hell out of everyone around him.
The noise was simply the master warning triggered by the pilot flying disconnecting the autopilot on the approach. A noise the cabin crew knew well from each and every flight.
The guy still didn't believe them and post flight demanded to speak to the Captain, that didn't last for long! As others have mentioned the cabin crew are pretty good at answering any queries or questions about any issues, just some don't want to listen.
One such incident I know of involved an Airbus on approach. One of the front row passengers (a PPL holder) heard a noise from cockpit which he believed to be a 'stall warner'. He then proceeded to shout this incorrect conclusion at the cabin crew and in the process scared the hell out of everyone around him.
The noise was simply the master warning triggered by the pilot flying disconnecting the autopilot on the approach. A noise the cabin crew knew well from each and every flight.
The guy still didn't believe them and post flight demanded to speak to the Captain, that didn't last for long! As others have mentioned the cabin crew are pretty good at answering any queries or questions about any issues, just some don't want to listen.
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Didn't it emerge after the Aloha 243 incident that a passenger had seen a crack in the fuselage during boarding but didn't mention it?
Further, a passenger had noted and later reported a skin crack aft of the forward entry door near a top row of lap joints rivets for S-10L while boarding the airplane. (The passenger later was escorted to a similar airplane and verified the observation.) The Safety Board believes that the top rivet row was cracked at the S-10L lap joint just aft of BS 360 before the accident flight takeoff.
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As others have mentioned the cabin crew are pretty good at answering any queries or questions about any issues, just some don't want to listen.
