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Old 26th Jun 2013, 20:27
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No we didn't!

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You guys need to learn to title things correctly...

rejected takeoff...those happen everyday..ie BORING

who reads that crap????

Be specific..
engine explodes
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Manchester....

See how this all works...

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edit: (at least I provided a video...)

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Old 26th Jun 2013, 20:52
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to an older engine.
Older is better?, well seasoned, none of this infant mortality crap
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Old 26th Jun 2013, 21:54
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If the exhaust and braking smoke is an indiction the wind direction was down the runaway and left to right at a few knots.


The pilot said there was no indication of fire, under what circumstances should the aircraft be orientated so that the potential fire is being blown away from the fuselage?

In this case had there been a fire the wind would be blowing it against the fuselage and toward both rear escape chutes.
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Old 27th Jun 2013, 06:58
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The pilot said there was no indication of fire, under what circumstances should the aircraft be orientated so that the potential fire is being blown away from the fuselage?
I think you have answered your own question.

If there is a fire warning then, although identifying the engine concerned may be irrelevant for the purpose of the RTO (see earlier posts), once the aircraft has slowed it should be positioned with the suspect engine downwind.

"Procedures should be developed to enable the crew to position an aircraft, when a ground fire emergency exists, with the fire downwind of the fuselage" [my emphasis] - AAIB Safety Recommendation made as part of the Manchester/Airtours accident report.

In this case, as you rightly say, there was no fire indication and so the question didn't arise.
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Old 27th Jun 2013, 09:01
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f there is a fire warning
Is there a downside to positioning the aircraft for a fire before confirmation?

In this case whilst the aircraft still has some momentum steering it into wind before the fire service arrives?

No harm? fire vehicles can go on the grass if need be?
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Old 27th Jun 2013, 09:14
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fire vehicles can go on the grass if need be?
Considering the weight of a fire truck, probably not. And definitely not if its wet.

The ability to position a larger aircraft within the confines of the runway may be difficult, and may result in the fire services not able to gain close access to the fire.
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"AAIB Safety Recommendation made as part of the Manchester/Airtours accident report."

The aircraft involved did not belong to Airtours. It happened years before Airtours even owned an airline. The incident you are referring to happened to British Airtours, the charter airline owned by British Airways.
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Old 27th Jun 2013, 10:05
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FPOBN:
You guys need to learn to title things correctly...
I refer you to post 49. You need to do a little reading in before posting it prevents people applying this old adage to you "It is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and dispel all doubt". Having said that there is at least one other poster who didn't read in and probably embarrassed him/herself.
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Old 27th Jun 2013, 13:30
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The aircraft involved did not belong to Airtours. It happened years before Airtours even owned an airline. The incident you are referring to happened to British Airtours, the charter airline owned by British Airways.
Humble apologies, I'd assumed wrongly that it would be obvious to anyone reading my post that the only "Airtours" around in 1985 was BA's charter subsidiary.
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Old 27th Jun 2013, 16:18
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fire vehicles can go on the grass if need be?
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Considering the weight of a fire truck, probably not. And definitely not if its wet.

Sales blurb from the makers of the 45ft long Striker 4500

"The Off-Road High Mobility design is all-wheel independent and can handle just about anything nature can dish out. The apparatus are required by the FAA to manoeuvre a 30 degree approach angle, 30 degree departure angle and a 30 degree side angle. The transmission can also manage some very difficult conditions if the weather becomes uncooperative. Using an interlock system, the truck has the ability to ‘walk’ its way out of mud that is virtually up to the frame."


They do go off road. Look at the tracks made in the soft ground.









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Old 29th Jun 2013, 15:09
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TCX EGCC 24/06/2013 Lost engine on T/O


Anybody have some info on this one?

24/06/2013 is the date the video was uploaded, not necessarily when the incident occurred.
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Old 29th Jun 2013, 16:41
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Anybody have some info on this one?
Manchester aborted takeoff - Google Search
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Old 29th Jun 2013, 20:11
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Originally Posted by Halfbaked_Boy

Anybody have some info on this one?

24/06/2013 is the date the video was uploaded, not necessarily when the incident occurred.
some stuff here
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Originally Posted by PAXboy
Text book stuff.
Which text book is that then?
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fire vehicles can go on the grass if need be?

Considering the weight of a fire truck, probably not. And definitely not if its wet.
The ability to position a larger aircraft within the confines of the runway may be difficult, and may result in the fire services not able to gain close access to the fire.
Aerial images of the San Francisco accident shows eight fire trucks on the grass.

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Old 7th Jul 2013, 22:44
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They absolutely go on the grass regardless of whether it's wet or not - there's a reason why they are 4x4/6x6/8x8 wheel drive with big 'tractor' type treaded tyres. In an emergency it doesn't matter whether they plough tracks or dig up the ground as long as they get there fast.
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