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Jet engine explodes on runway, Airbus A330

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Old 25th Jun 2013, 08:45
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Jet engine backfires on runway, Airbus A330

It was an explosion by the first definition - it says 'as is'. The casing contained the explosion.
We shall see It is incredible the noise and visual effects a mere "surge" can have, and cause little/no damage.

Was the runway closed for sometime afterwards requiring debris to be removed? If not, then to me anyway it was not an "explosion" If we want non specialist terms, then "backfire" might be more appropriate - we shall see (or maybe not - unlikely any AAIB follow up).
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 09:05
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Jet engine explodes on runway, Airbus A330

More like a cough than a Backfire, that's a Russian military supersonic twin anyway ;-)
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 09:14
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Looked as though the incident was nicely handled, little deviation from the centre line & the rudder input was there immediately. Aircraft came safely to a stop & EGCC emergency vehicles right there, good helpful ATC. You would rather not go through this normally I suppose, but if you had to, this is the way to do it.
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 09:19
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Spotters and the Press call it an explosion. I've also seen it sensationally described as an explosion and uncontained engine failure.

Professionals assess it to be a surge, possibly caused by birdstrike, and a correctly executed RTO. All told, text book.

Shall we leave it at that and leave each faction to believe what they want to believe.

Such a shame PPRuNe has to cope with such petty squabbling.

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Old 25th Jun 2013, 09:57
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Such a shame a thread on a professional site headlines a term enjoyed by spotters and the press!
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Tristars used to do it all the time...................
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 10:44
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Such a shame a site for "Professionals" is marred by hysterical and inaccurate meeja descriptions like "explosion" and "uncontained" engine failure.

If people don't understand very basic technical terminology they're better off just not using them.
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 11:06
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Very nice job by the pilots. Really calm on the radio after stopped. But this aircraft has had a lot of problems with the number 2 engine:-

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Old 25th Jun 2013, 11:08
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Heres a longer version of the video, shows the emergency services and the aircraft moving off the runway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjDR...e_gdata_player
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 11:40
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It's for the very reason that people mirepresent airline incidents and use the wrong terminology that we should be vigilant. A compressor stall or surge is fairly insignificant in modern flying and should be reported and treated as such on aviation forums. There are enough scare-mongers out there without us adding to the sensationalism. I suggest that if someone doesn't know the difference between a surge and an explosion they should stick to the thread in the spotters balcony

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Spotters and the Press call it an explosion. I've also seen it sensationally described as an explosion and uncontained engine failure.

Professionals assess it to be a surge, possibly caused by birdstrike, and a correctly executed RTO. All told, text book.
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The point made very succintly by Checkboard:
Originally Posted by Checkboard
Such a shame a thread on a professional site headlines a term enjoyed by spotters and the press!
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 11:46
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Doesn't sound like the same pilot to me. Most English pilots sound very similar on ATC.

Nicely handled RTO. I'd guess 90-100 kts.
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 11:50
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This containment test demonstrates what catastrophic destruction of a modern jet engine really looks like...


Such a failure is a completely different phenomenon to compressor surge as has already been noted by more sage minds than mine.
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 11:53
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The original, much better, more measured thread which was started on here is now located here.
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 12:07
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The 757 at MAN was Thomson. This is Thomas Cook. Different airlines that do not share their pilots!
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 12:33
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Professionals assess it to be a surge, possibly caused by birdstrike, and a correctly executed RTO. All told, text book


Caco, thanks for that video of an actual engine explosion. Instructive.
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 12:41
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But this aircraft has had a lot of problems with the number 2 engine:-

The Aviation Herald
Four incidents in nine months involving the same engine seems a lot to me. Is it likely to be the same engine in each incident, ie has the engine been changed or simply 'fixed'?
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 12:42
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has the engine been changed or simply 'fixed'
You would be surprised what you can do with a bit of gaffer tape and a decent sized hammer.
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 13:16
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What an immaculately executed rejected takeoff, cool and professional RT very well handled by all. I'll book my family with Thomas Cook!
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 13:27
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Anyone heard any rumours at what speed the RTO was initiated?
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Old 25th Jun 2013, 13:33
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Text book stuff.

I was amused by the video title 'jet engine explodes on runway' - which of course it did not. I guess even the most pro of videographers want to attract more views of the items they post.

So, was it brake cooling and then depart?
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