Jet Airways flights averts mid-air collision
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Jet Airways flights averts mid-air collision
Jet Airways flights averts mid-air collision
GUWAHATI: A Jet Airways flight with 134 passengers on board narrowly averted a mid-air collision on Thursday, triggering panic aboard, passengers said.
Jet Airways Flight No 9W 2280 from New Delhi to Guwahati was flying somewhere over Patna when it abruptly lost control, leading to chaos inside.
"First the flight abruptly turned right and then began to plummet. We thought it would crash. There was chaos and people were screaming inside," Caushik Bezboruah, chief executive officer of News Live, a satellite TV channel from Guwahati said.
"I heard people crying, some praying on top of their voices. It was a chaotic situation for close to a minute before the pilot took control," added Bhaskar Sharma, director of News Live.
Both Bezboruah and Sharma were seated in the emergency exit row of the plane.
Soon after, the pilot announced that another plane was approaching from the opposite direction and was inside the "safe zone".
"The pilot said the flight's computer system automatically navigated the plane and moved away from the path of the approaching flight to avoid a mid-air collision," Bezboruah said.
The incident took place around 11.35am. The Jet Airways flight landed safely in Guwahati around 1pm.
"No one was injured but I saw a woman with an infant frantically trying to reach her seat from the washroom when this incident took place. She didn't manage to reach her seat and instead sat on the aisle," Sharma said.
Among those aboard the plane included Assam Congress president Bhubaneswar Kalita and Congress MP Rani Narah. "God is great. We had a near brush with death," said Narah.
Jet authorities in Guwahati refused to comment on the incident saying a formal statement, if any, would be made from their head office in Mumbai.
GUWAHATI: A Jet Airways flight with 134 passengers on board narrowly averted a mid-air collision on Thursday, triggering panic aboard, passengers said.
Jet Airways Flight No 9W 2280 from New Delhi to Guwahati was flying somewhere over Patna when it abruptly lost control, leading to chaos inside.
"First the flight abruptly turned right and then began to plummet. We thought it would crash. There was chaos and people were screaming inside," Caushik Bezboruah, chief executive officer of News Live, a satellite TV channel from Guwahati said.
"I heard people crying, some praying on top of their voices. It was a chaotic situation for close to a minute before the pilot took control," added Bhaskar Sharma, director of News Live.
Both Bezboruah and Sharma were seated in the emergency exit row of the plane.
Soon after, the pilot announced that another plane was approaching from the opposite direction and was inside the "safe zone".
"The pilot said the flight's computer system automatically navigated the plane and moved away from the path of the approaching flight to avoid a mid-air collision," Bezboruah said.
The incident took place around 11.35am. The Jet Airways flight landed safely in Guwahati around 1pm.
"No one was injured but I saw a woman with an infant frantically trying to reach her seat from the washroom when this incident took place. She didn't manage to reach her seat and instead sat on the aisle," Sharma said.
Among those aboard the plane included Assam Congress president Bhubaneswar Kalita and Congress MP Rani Narah. "God is great. We had a near brush with death," said Narah.
Jet authorities in Guwahati refused to comment on the incident saying a formal statement, if any, would be made from their head office in Mumbai.
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"The pilot said the flight's computer system automatically navigated the plane and moved away from the path of the approaching flight to avoid a mid-air collision," Bezboruah said.
Gentle Rates:
If my memory serves me right (and it probably doesn't) an RA requires a rate of climb or descent of 1500 fpm. If that's not enough and on receipt of an "Increase Vertical Speed" warning then 2500 fpm is required.
If my memory serves me right (and it probably doesn't) an RA requires a rate of climb or descent of 1500 fpm. If that's not enough and on receipt of an "Increase Vertical Speed" warning then 2500 fpm is required.
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So first of all
Then......
As a UK controller I expect TCAS R/A's to be in the vertical plane only is it different on the sub continent?.
But don't worry their imaginary friend had it all under control from the start.
Usual standard of journalism?
when it abruptly lost control
First the flight abruptly turned right and then began to plummet.
"God is great. We had a near brush with death,"
Usual standard of journalism?
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However, a few pilots SEEM to think that the TCAS display is their own personal RADAR display and sometimes query lateral separation 
Maybe the pilot in the alleged incident decided to go for both vertical and lateral TCAS separation
Maybe the pilot in the alleged incident decided to go for both vertical and lateral TCAS separation
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Could have been an ATC directed 'turn right IMMEDIATELY!' followed by a TCAS. Had that exact scenario last month. Right turn resulted in approx. 1 mile lateral offset, RA directed climb resulted in traffic going 200' below us, Head on, FL180, 600 knot closure. Traffic climbing to above FL240 while we were descending to FL150.
Reminded me of a head on, offset BFM engagement.
NOTAM - ATC controller training in progress
Reminded me of a head on, offset BFM engagement.
NOTAM - ATC controller training in progress
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Just how gentle should the TCAS response be?
From Graybeard:
Not quite, the assumed response for initial RA (Climb, Descend etc) is 0.25g. Not exactly pull-the-wings-off stuff perhaps, but a lot more than people should experience in normal flight (a steady 30 deg banked turn is only 0.15g), the response to an enhanced RA, Increase Climb etc, is 0.35g. So the target vertical rate should be achieved in under 5 secs.
This really matters, if you look at the Uberlingen accident report appendix 4, you will see that the DHL 757 got nowhere near these figures, it took nearer 13 secs to get to 1500 ft/min, but if it had done it right it would probably have missed the Tu 154, despite the latter's complete foul up of its RA. For a discussion on how to achieve the target acceleration accurately (a far from trivial question that has received too little attention) see Eurocontrol ACAS Bulletin 12
A Eurocontrol study about 10 years ago found that at the time, none of the sample RAs they studied were flown correctly (roughly half were too slow, the rest too fast); I gather more recent work suggests the figure of correct responses is now....60%, still a long way to go.
Right, JW, and the required acceleration to get to the advisory climb rate is gentle. It should be barely noticeable to the SLF.
This really matters, if you look at the Uberlingen accident report appendix 4, you will see that the DHL 757 got nowhere near these figures, it took nearer 13 secs to get to 1500 ft/min, but if it had done it right it would probably have missed the Tu 154, despite the latter's complete foul up of its RA. For a discussion on how to achieve the target acceleration accurately (a far from trivial question that has received too little attention) see Eurocontrol ACAS Bulletin 12
A Eurocontrol study about 10 years ago found that at the time, none of the sample RAs they studied were flown correctly (roughly half were too slow, the rest too fast); I gather more recent work suggests the figure of correct responses is now....60%, still a long way to go.
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I especially like the picture that accompanied the story.
Simple: Once the editor knows its "Jet" airways, he decides to put a Jet engine picture. If it were Kingfisher, pic would have been a half nude gal showing beer bottle, if Spice Jet, then a gal making ad of spices, and guess what, if it were Air India, then a half nude gal having bowl in her hand, standing in front of PMO begging for money..
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It is different.......
on the sub continent.
Step 1 when receiving a TA/RA: Remove all newspapers from windshield and side windows.
Step 2: Adjust your eyesight while trying to locate the threat in the sudden white light. Locate your sunglasses (on top of your head).
Step 3: Gain manual control of the aircraft after AP was inadvertently disconnected when stick pushed during newspaper removal.
Step 4: Try to figure out what the TCAS wants you to do amid all the screaming and yelling on the R/T. Increase Climb/Descent opposite to ATC orders.
Step 5: Recover from the unusual attitude.
Step 6: Praise your imaginary savior that once again (w/o any adequate action on your part) an incident did not become an accident.
When on ground: Proudly tell everyone that Indian aviation is the safest in the world - we all made it, didnīt we?
Even firm atheists will turn religious after flying some time on the sub continent. Nothing but divine intervention can explain the lack of rocketing accident rates
Step 1 when receiving a TA/RA: Remove all newspapers from windshield and side windows.
Step 2: Adjust your eyesight while trying to locate the threat in the sudden white light. Locate your sunglasses (on top of your head).
Step 3: Gain manual control of the aircraft after AP was inadvertently disconnected when stick pushed during newspaper removal.
Step 4: Try to figure out what the TCAS wants you to do amid all the screaming and yelling on the R/T. Increase Climb/Descent opposite to ATC orders.
Step 5: Recover from the unusual attitude.
Step 6: Praise your imaginary savior that once again (w/o any adequate action on your part) an incident did not become an accident.
When on ground: Proudly tell everyone that Indian aviation is the safest in the world - we all made it, didnīt we?
Even firm atheists will turn religious after flying some time on the sub continent. Nothing but divine intervention can explain the lack of rocketing accident rates
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Preliminary investigation results indicate no loss of separation, no TCAS advisory and no wake turbulence. Enroute turbulence was encountered, no other aircraft in vicinity, end of story.