Air France Go Around at MAN
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Air France Go Around at MAN
About 13:23 today, glanced round and an Air France A321 had just pulled out of its landing on 23 R (Cheshire end) and was in a steep climb. It pulled away over Wilmslow and came in to land safely at 13:35.
Anyone know what that was all about.
Not very exciting but would be interested to know.
Thanks all in advance.
Anyone know what that was all about.
Not very exciting but would be interested to know.
Thanks all in advance.
(and I would say 'common' not 'routine')
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I've only carried out 3 go-arounds in the {decade+} I've been flying professionally. I'm not sure I see the manoeuvre as 'routine', though I'd imagine Heathrow Director has seen a fair few and it may, as a result, appear to be a normal part of an aeroplane driver's day at the office. Like most things in aviation, it's easy to screw up when complacency or fatigue creeps in. Sitting at the threshold watching someone else go around always invites comment on the flight deck; I'm not surprised to see discussion of GAs or RTOs on pprune.
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"23 R (Cheshire end)"
Or, as it's more commonly known as, 05L!!
There was a runway change shortly after to 23R (Manchester end??) so may have some bearing on the reason for the go-around.
Cheers,
RS
Or, as it's more commonly known as, 05L!!
There was a runway change shortly after to 23R (Manchester end??) so may have some bearing on the reason for the go-around.
Cheers,
RS
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I am assuming that the weather wasn't an issue yesterday so unlikely to be due to sudden gusts of wind or windshear alerts.
This would leave the most common reason as the aircraft in front being slow to clear the runway.
Other than that it could have been some kind of technical problem (such as gear not locked properly) showing up on the flight deck displays just prior to the landing or even something as trivial as the cabin not being secure for landing.
I am assuming that the weather wasn't an issue yesterday so unlikely to be due to sudden gusts of wind or windshear alerts.
This would leave the most common reason as the aircraft in front being slow to clear the runway.
Other than that it could have been some kind of technical problem (such as gear not locked properly) showing up on the flight deck displays just prior to the landing or even something as trivial as the cabin not being secure for landing.
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Since we are talking about go arounds at MAN, here is a photo I took in September 2004
Behind the 753 the cockpit crew of the Alitalia A319 selected to go around after ending up to close to the vortex master - a 757 taking off.
In case you wonder where I was when I took the photo:
center line of the old northern runway across the Bollin
Behind the 753 the cockpit crew of the Alitalia A319 selected to go around after ending up to close to the vortex master - a 757 taking off.
In case you wonder where I was when I took the photo:
center line of the old northern runway across the Bollin
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Nice photo....but why on earth would something landing on the same runway as a departing 757 elect to go-around to avoid vortex? The departure won't lift it's nosewheel (and hence start generating votices) until well beyond the touchdown zone, at which point on the runway the next arrival should be well and truly planted on the ground. A go-around surely puts you at more risk of flying through the departure's vortices, as he'll be climbing through your level.
Jet blast, on the other hand (which I think used to be called turbulent wake, before vortex wake was renamed) from the engines at take-off power....that's a different story, and I appreciate that for a light a/c touching down in the jet wake of a bigger a/c on a calm day, things may become somewhat exciting...
I'm aware of at least one regional jet pilot who feels the 757 in take-off configuration isn't the monster it's made out to be...he reckons it's the vortices from the outboard end of the flaps at landing config which is the real danger. I stand prepared to be fully corrected now by crews who have experienced otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jet blast, on the other hand (which I think used to be called turbulent wake, before vortex wake was renamed) from the engines at take-off power....that's a different story, and I appreciate that for a light a/c touching down in the jet wake of a bigger a/c on a calm day, things may become somewhat exciting...
I'm aware of at least one regional jet pilot who feels the 757 in take-off configuration isn't the monster it's made out to be...he reckons it's the vortices from the outboard end of the flaps at landing config which is the real danger. I stand prepared to be fully corrected now by crews who have experienced otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"23 R (Cheshire end)"
Or, as it's more commonly known as, 05L!!
There was a runway change shortly after to 23R (Manchester end??) so may have some bearing on the reason for the go-around.
Cheers,
RS
Or, as it's more commonly known as, 05L!!
There was a runway change shortly after to 23R (Manchester end??) so may have some bearing on the reason for the go-around.
Cheers,
RS
Don't normally see rabbits on the runway, I did see a sneaky looking fox though earlier that morning
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NudgingSteel, did I say the reason for the go around was to avoid the vortex from the 753? No, I didn't, but I did say the distance between the two aircraft was too close for the Italian crew. Around half way down the runway the Alitalia A319 was heading back north (track 358°).
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This current thread in SLF might answer some questions.
http://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf...pproaches.html
http://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf...pproaches.html