getting off a plane last minute
Aside from anything else.........With LGW closed all day today, chances are that your first flight to MAD thursday will suffer a delay anyway.........
Oh, and another thing..... BA are the most punctual airline out of LGW !
Oh, and another thing..... BA are the most punctual airline out of LGW !
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are forums like this a place for questions, answers and discussion or places for moronic rants and unfounded abuse.
I posed questions that I was interested in and those have been answered, namely that while the doors are open and the aircraft still at the gate, and bearing in mind that I only have fully screened hand luggage with me, it would be perfectly reasonable for me to request to leave the aircraft if due to a delay, I no longer wished to travel. I am not a terorist or unreasonable passenger, nobody suspected that when Captivep wished to leave his flight as mentioned in an earlier post, that he was a terrorist either.
I also reserve my god given right to book the most economical flights possible. That is no ones buisness than my own.
To Udachi, I have a life thanks, please pay more attention when posting in future, I am flying Thursday not Friday, when I booked this flight it was a lovely day in September so I had no idea what the weather was going to do this week, and trains don't go to Ibiza you cretin.
Oh yes... I can't imagine you either 'screwing me hard' or someone else 'decking me'.. stick to the jeremy kyle forums you ****!
I posed questions that I was interested in and those have been answered, namely that while the doors are open and the aircraft still at the gate, and bearing in mind that I only have fully screened hand luggage with me, it would be perfectly reasonable for me to request to leave the aircraft if due to a delay, I no longer wished to travel. I am not a terorist or unreasonable passenger, nobody suspected that when Captivep wished to leave his flight as mentioned in an earlier post, that he was a terrorist either.
I also reserve my god given right to book the most economical flights possible. That is no ones buisness than my own.
To Udachi, I have a life thanks, please pay more attention when posting in future, I am flying Thursday not Friday, when I booked this flight it was a lovely day in September so I had no idea what the weather was going to do this week, and trains don't go to Ibiza you cretin.
Oh yes... I can't imagine you either 'screwing me hard' or someone else 'decking me'.. stick to the jeremy kyle forums you ****!
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rewdan,
Your responses to the answers you've had here are probably indicative of how you will react when you're told you can't get off an aeroplane.
You only responded in a reasonable fashion when you were told what you wanted to hear. All the other, reasonable, answers you've been given have either received abuse or been ignored. Behave like that on an aeroplane pal and you won't be travelling even if you wanted to.
Your responses to the answers you've had here are probably indicative of how you will react when you're told you can't get off an aeroplane.
You only responded in a reasonable fashion when you were told what you wanted to hear. All the other, reasonable, answers you've been given have either received abuse or been ignored. Behave like that on an aeroplane pal and you won't be travelling even if you wanted to.
Now, come on, children.......play nicely!! No calling each other names!!
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Rewdan - you will be very welcome tomorrow on FR5302, I think its going to be cancelled - har har har. I feel sorry for all but one passenger on that flight......
By the way, if its not cancelled, then I'm sorry but I called a freind in FR Ops who will pass a message on to the crew to let them know about a possible disruptive passenger
Yo ho - back to the standby coffee machine
And Planemike - I am playing nicely (so far) - at least I havent sworn yet or resorted to playground hair pulling or name calling lol
By the way, if its not cancelled, then I'm sorry but I called a freind in FR Ops who will pass a message on to the crew to let them know about a possible disruptive passenger
Yo ho - back to the standby coffee machine
And Planemike - I am playing nicely (so far) - at least I havent sworn yet or resorted to playground hair pulling or name calling lol
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Seriously... if a passenger really needed to get off "at the last minute" (whanever that is) due to being taken ill/serious attack of flight nerves etc. does the aircraft have to go back to the stand, or is there a contingency measure to immediately deplane the passenger? (Other than down a chute!!)
C'mon, an obvious troll with an attitude to boot. Someone should have warned him about what he can receive on this site with the kind of attitude that he has.
He wasn't posting from Zoe's IP was he?
He wasn't posting from Zoe's IP was he?
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Yes, if a passenger has a genuine reason, medical or otherwise to get off post-pushback, then our co SOP is to stop and interview the passenger in a galley. If medical, then it warrants an immediate return. A panic attack in my view AND especially a lo-co misconx, unless to the safety of the aircraft or detriment of the other passengers, does not constitute or warrant a return to stand.
If you want to get off bcos you will miss your connection, then tough, you're coming with us. Jump up and down, and complain about kidnapping will land you with a return to stand and a charge under the Air Navigation Order for being disruptive and failing to obey cabin crew, not withstanding that a lifetime ban from the airline.
Unfortunately there is no real or easy way of deplaning a passenger who decides to not to travel. Its a mandatory return to stand (probably remote) - offload grunt - rumage through the shellsuits downstairs to find said oiks bag - LMC LS and hope the guy in the tower popped a delay message on your ATC clearance, otherwise its a re-apply with late slot.
IF you get a panic attack or want to get off (within reason), you can do so right up to doors closed. Once doors are closed, so long as we dont start the pushback procedure, then you can get off. BUT............ your disembarkation WILL be annouced over the PA, very embarressing for you but highly amusing for us and other passengers (until they realise they are now delayed - to which the fun turns normally to irate angry passengers, fortunately directed to the oik who gets off)
Yes, if a passenger has a genuine reason, medical or otherwise to get off post-pushback, then our co SOP is to stop and interview the passenger in a galley. If medical, then it warrants an immediate return. A panic attack in my view AND especially a lo-co misconx, unless to the safety of the aircraft or detriment of the other passengers, does not constitute or warrant a return to stand.
If you want to get off bcos you will miss your connection, then tough, you're coming with us. Jump up and down, and complain about kidnapping will land you with a return to stand and a charge under the Air Navigation Order for being disruptive and failing to obey cabin crew, not withstanding that a lifetime ban from the airline.
Unfortunately there is no real or easy way of deplaning a passenger who decides to not to travel. Its a mandatory return to stand (probably remote) - offload grunt - rumage through the shellsuits downstairs to find said oiks bag - LMC LS and hope the guy in the tower popped a delay message on your ATC clearance, otherwise its a re-apply with late slot.
IF you get a panic attack or want to get off (within reason), you can do so right up to doors closed. Once doors are closed, so long as we dont start the pushback procedure, then you can get off. BUT............ your disembarkation WILL be annouced over the PA, very embarressing for you but highly amusing for us and other passengers (until they realise they are now delayed - to which the fun turns normally to irate angry passengers, fortunately directed to the oik who gets off)
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You can offload yourself at any time prior to push back, yes it will delay the flight as security checks have to be carried out on the aircraft, however it doesnt involve everyone getting off and having hand luggage searched, well, atleast in the UK it doesnt, and i have witnessed many last minute offloads on various carriers.
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udachi moya:
I think you should be aware that the legal position is less clear-cut than your post suggests.
Yes, if a passenger becomes physically or verbally disruptive because they want to get off after push-back, the Air Navigation Order will certainly assist you. But you should be aware that you and your crew also run the risk of a civil action for false imprisonment if you refuse to let a passenger off. Now we can debate the rights and wrong, inconvenience to others and selfishness etc., but that is the position in law. The Air Navigation Order will not help you there.
As far as making PAs to "name and shame" a passenger who wishes to disembark, that's not a very professional approach. I don't know whether you are a Commander or First Officer, but I hope that if your airline entrusts you with authority over their aircraft, you don't genuinely condone that sort of behaviour.
I think you should be aware that the legal position is less clear-cut than your post suggests.
Yes, if a passenger becomes physically or verbally disruptive because they want to get off after push-back, the Air Navigation Order will certainly assist you. But you should be aware that you and your crew also run the risk of a civil action for false imprisonment if you refuse to let a passenger off. Now we can debate the rights and wrong, inconvenience to others and selfishness etc., but that is the position in law. The Air Navigation Order will not help you there.
As far as making PAs to "name and shame" a passenger who wishes to disembark, that's not a very professional approach. I don't know whether you are a Commander or First Officer, but I hope that if your airline entrusts you with authority over their aircraft, you don't genuinely condone that sort of behaviour.
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Yes, I am aware of the legal ramifications of holding a passenger against their will, I am all too happy to dump off any excess baggage.. and lighten up mate and read the humour
Don't you keep your passengers informed, you know, sorry for the delay but a passenger has decided to leave us. We wont be long but we need to look for his bags tadada etc etc, you know, a bit of customer services.
No, I don't condone naming and shaming, read the tea-leaves - I never said that did I ?
No all I said was their disembarkation and leaving us will be announced - see above PR and CS
And yes I turn left through the front door
Don't you keep your passengers informed, you know, sorry for the delay but a passenger has decided to leave us. We wont be long but we need to look for his bags tadada etc etc, you know, a bit of customer services.
No, I don't condone naming and shaming, read the tea-leaves - I never said that did I ?
No all I said was their disembarkation and leaving us will be announced - see above PR and CSAnd yes I turn left through the front door
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I'd only let the scrote get off after Take-Off! 
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my flight yesterday. Slot delays and stuck waiting for de-icing. Two hours later, de ice arrives, slot arranged to match a departure time to meet de-icing finally ready to go. During de ice, request for pax to leave. PA made to ask if anyone else is to go 7 more request off. 10 mins for steps, 10 mins to get bags off and get new loadsheet cabin crew then have to search aircraft and identify bags etc, slot missed, hold over time expired. Back in the queue for deice and another 2 hour slot delay. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some times why the hell do i bother. I understand you may not wish to travel any more but please make the decision early and not wait till the last second.
Some times why the hell do i bother. I understand you may not wish to travel any more but please make the decision early and not wait till the last second.
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Isn't this a perfect example how the public perceive commercial aviation these days? I'm sure they don't really need to see just how much goes in to getting one plane in the sky. That's testament to the procedures evolved over many years and many crashes. However it does create a clash between those who are technically oblivious and those who have the knowledge. And of course we live in a society where regardless of merit opinion is considered more important than expert knowledge.
To use an analogy, airlines take great strides to look like the Swan moving gracefully on the surface whilst the feet are ..........
So the question maybe acceptable any adverse response thereafter is not.
I would say that amongst the rather negative posts the message you need to heed is that; your priorities may cause extreme upheaval to others and only the super rich can afford the luxury of buying their way out of being part of the general public. How would you feel if you found out that you delaying the flight caused another passenger on a mercy mission to a dying relative, missed the last goodbye?
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To use an analogy, airlines take great strides to look like the Swan moving gracefully on the surface whilst the feet are ..........
So the question maybe acceptable any adverse response thereafter is not.
I would say that amongst the rather negative posts the message you need to heed is that; your priorities may cause extreme upheaval to others and only the super rich can afford the luxury of buying their way out of being part of the general public. How would you feel if you found out that you delaying the flight caused another passenger on a mercy mission to a dying relative, missed the last goodbye?
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<<How would you feel if you found out that you delaying the flight caused another passenger on a mercy mission to a dying relative, missed the last goodbye?>>
I don't think it would worry them. Too many people nowadays only think about themselves and blow everyone else. I've also noticed an influx of total idiots on PPruNe recently. Maybe the two are combined?
I don't think it would worry them. Too many people nowadays only think about themselves and blow everyone else. I've also noticed an influx of total idiots on PPruNe recently. Maybe the two are combined?
I'd only let the scrote get off after Take-Off! 
What a truly inane suggestion.
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Isn't this a perfect example how the public perceive commercial aviation these days?
Don't get me wrong, I have no time for rotten attitudes similar to the troll that started this thread, but it's a two way road and that's what your going get when corporate attitudes are no different.
I genuinely fear for the future!
