Near miss reported over Östersund
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Near miss reported over Östersund
Göteborgs Posten, my local newspaper, is reporting that two Boeings – an SAS 737 and a Finnair 757 – had a near miss on 2 July at 11 000 metres over Östersund. They are said to have been at the same altitude and on conflicting paths, passing only 300 metres from each other. The Swedish Transport Agency and Accident Board are investigating.
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Seems like a lost journo on a trip for fame again. The one writing the story in the posten, that is.
I do not know if airspace is RVSM over there, but would think it is. If it is (reduced vertical separation minima airspace) then aircraft can be at 300 metres from each other (vertically, which equals to 1000 feet). That is standard separation, applied everyday in most places.
So, if they're RVSM and separation was vertical, there was no infringement. If it was laterally or they do not have RVSM there, then that's something else.
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I do not know if airspace is RVSM over there, but would think it is. If it is (reduced vertical separation minima airspace) then aircraft can be at 300 metres from each other (vertically, which equals to 1000 feet). That is standard separation, applied everyday in most places.
So, if they're RVSM and separation was vertical, there was no infringement. If it was laterally or they do not have RVSM there, then that's something else.
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Of course it is RVSM, this is Sweden, not Africa for gawd's sake! Sound to me too like a slow day in the news and a journo aboard pushing for a sensation, however the piece SvD run on it says that both LFV as the ANS and the air accident investigation board are now involved, so let's wait and see, at best.
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I think one or two of you need to read the originator's profile... and the fact that the aircraft were reported to be at the same altitude, so RVSM does not enter the equation.
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Uhh, I have just emerged from my cave and stand in awe that not only the planet did not succumb to global warming, what's more, Africa indeed has gone RVSM. I hereby retract my remark and thank Farrel for the enlightenment.
And while I'm at it, I will retract the rest of the post as well; according to a source I cannot disclose at the moment, the incident indeed was a true airprox.
And while I'm at it, I will retract the rest of the post as well; according to a source I cannot disclose at the moment, the incident indeed was a true airprox.
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Thank you, Heathrow Director. As I am associated with the Swedish Accident Board, if there is a report it may well land on my desk eventually.
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Seems to have been a "real airprox" incident and worthy of staying in the Rumours & News forum, rather than being moved to the Spectators Balcony..
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I can now put in a bit more info:
Finnair B752 flying west - east and SAS B737 north - south both at FL360 above a mountainous region on Swedish - Norwegian border, Swedish side. Both a/c initiated evasive action most likely triggered by TCAS RA, ca 4NM before the tracks would intersect. At the intersection, the aircraft were separated vertically owing to a rapid climb by the SAS crew and also had some lateral offset. Nevertheless, as the actual allowed radar separation is 5NM, loss of separation did in all probability occur and I'm looking forward to any detail Avro might want to share with us.. Mind you, this comes not even a month after the ANS published a report into a previous case of loss of separation between a BAW and a Lufty (?) west of Stockholm...all in all, it seems an interesting yet minor incident, one of which occur possibly daily around the globe.
And consequences, plenty of evidence emerging daily in the AGW thread in JB, it is for you there to grab and study and reconcile yourself with.
Finnair B752 flying west - east and SAS B737 north - south both at FL360 above a mountainous region on Swedish - Norwegian border, Swedish side. Both a/c initiated evasive action most likely triggered by TCAS RA, ca 4NM before the tracks would intersect. At the intersection, the aircraft were separated vertically owing to a rapid climb by the SAS crew and also had some lateral offset. Nevertheless, as the actual allowed radar separation is 5NM, loss of separation did in all probability occur and I'm looking forward to any detail Avro might want to share with us.. Mind you, this comes not even a month after the ANS published a report into a previous case of loss of separation between a BAW and a Lufty (?) west of Stockholm...all in all, it seems an interesting yet minor incident, one of which occur possibly daily around the globe.
And consequences, plenty of evidence emerging daily in the AGW thread in JB, it is for you there to grab and study and reconcile yourself with.
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Mind you, this comes not even a month after the ANS published a report into a previous case of loss of separation between a BAW and a Lufty (?) west of Stockholm
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I am pretty sure that I was on that flight. The plane made a sharp altitude correction at the same time I looked out the window and saw another plane crossing our flight path at 90 degrees passing overhead by a very small margin.
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airprox
Hi,
If you say you saw an aircraft crossing your track above you, then the decision to climb out of trouble may not have been the best course of action !!
Dave
If you say you saw an aircraft crossing your track above you, then the decision to climb out of trouble may not have been the best course of action !!
Dave
