Any airworthy Concorde left?
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Quite right Top Bunk, also the Frame 72 Repair/Modification was not actioned either, another reason for OAB not being a candidate. (Not to mention some F/D panels also being removed for 202 at Brooklands.
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I wouldn't give up yet as there is a distinct possibility of seeing one at least rolling again.
I do not speak French so could someone please verify the above by reading this link.
www.france5.fr/c-dans-l-air/index-fr.php?page=resume&id_rubrique=1361
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I do not speak French so could someone please verify the above by reading this link.
www.france5.fr/c-dans-l-air/index-fr.php?page=resume&id_rubrique=1361
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I have a vague recollection from somewhere that the only BA Concorde ever to stand chance of flying again was the one that returned home to Filton. Seem to remember that there was a discussion around the time the announcement over the 2012 Olympics was made about restoring it to do a flypast at the opening ceremony.
I clearly remember signing the Online Petition to get concorde flying, However the Site and the Petition is Long Gone.
Heres a New Site I have recently found.
Save Concorde Group
However I agree with most posts on this thread in which that its to expensive to Revive her and she will never fly agian.
She Lives on only in Videos, Flight Simulator and in our Minds
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I had the good fortune of Mrs razorrawe getting myself and the good lady a day out at Filton 3 weeks ago Concorde at Filton was a lovely look around G-BOAF she still looks in good condition but one of the questions i asked was would she ever fly again, Unfortunatly the chap who was showing us around said no,i then asked why,he said that it would take lots of money and lots of time such as all engines rebuilt complete air frame strip for integrity all avionics etc stripped checked calibrated basically a strip down and complete rebuild,
Personally i dont think this is impossible but another thing to take into consideration is she is no spring chicken and getting parts for Concorde is not like getting parts for say an A320,at the end of the day we would all love to see her Grace the skies again maybe not for a while due to the economc situation but hopefully before i reach the pearly gates.
If you do get the chance to go to Filton they are Lovely People
Personally i dont think this is impossible but another thing to take into consideration is she is no spring chicken and getting parts for Concorde is not like getting parts for say an A320,at the end of the day we would all love to see her Grace the skies again maybe not for a while due to the economc situation but hopefully before i reach the pearly gates.
If you do get the chance to go to Filton they are Lovely People
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So far nobody has answered my question, are there any left that could be ground run and taxied at high speed? therefore keeping the systems operational. Look what happened to the Vulcan and Lightnings eventually they did fly again.
fastjet45 if you can translate the article in my above post above I'm sure you'll be happy.
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guys you might want to check out the aviation history and nostalgia forum, concorde's engines to be brought back to life thread.
if you haven't seen it already.
if you haven't seen it already.
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I do not speak French so could someone please verify the above by reading this link.
"Ten years after the crash of a Concorde which precipitated the end of the career of the supersonic, the trial of this matter lies before the Correctional Tribunal of Pontoise. The court will try for four months to establish the chain of events and responsibilities.
90 volumes, 80 000 pages of proceedings, 534 exhibits, 60 witnesses, some thirty experts, debates in three languages and more than 200 journalists covering the event: the extraordinary trial of the Concorde crash was open this Tuesday, February 2, 2010, at Pontoise, in the Val-d'Oise.
During the hearings, scheduled until May 28 next justice will try to understand why this gem of Aeronautics, capable of crossing the Atlantic in less than three hours, crashed on July 25, 2000, a hotel in Gonesse, less than two minutes after takeoff. For despite years of investigation, the causes of the disaster that killed 100 German passengers, 9 crew and 4 employees of the hotel establishment where the supersonic crashed to continue discussions.
According to the script prepared by the Office of Investigations and Analysis (BEA), reprinted by the order of reference, a strip of titanium lost by a DC-10 of Continental Airlines would have caused the bursting of a tire, which debris have caused the burning of fuel tank of Concorde taking off. But for the U.S. airline - on the defendants' bench with two technicians and two former officials of the Concorde program and an engineer from the Directorate General Aviation"
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I wouldn't give up yet as there is a distinct possibility of seeing one at least rolling again.
I do not speak French so could someone please verify the above by reading this link
I do not speak French so could someone please verify the above by reading this link
Air France Concorde to taxi again under own power
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Hi All.
Olympus593 in association with Save Concorde Group has, in conjunction with Le Bourget museum been given the official go-ahead to relight the engines on Concorde 213 (F-BTSD) with a view to performing taxi and maybe fast taxi runs in the future.
Return to flight is not yet on the agenda, but SCG and Olympus593 are still jointly working to return Concorde to the air.
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Olympus593 in association with Save Concorde Group has, in conjunction with Le Bourget museum been given the official go-ahead to relight the engines on Concorde 213 (F-BTSD) with a view to performing taxi and maybe fast taxi runs in the future.
Return to flight is not yet on the agenda, but SCG and Olympus593 are still jointly working to return Concorde to the air.
Cheers
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So it looks as if the Times article I referred to in post #12 may prove to be prescient regarding the essentials?
If this comes off, I for one will happily say "Vive la France!", and yah boo sucks to the sourpusses, and particularly to BA.
If this comes off, I for one will happily say "Vive la France!", and yah boo sucks to the sourpusses, and particularly to BA.
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How much would it cost to put an aircraft that took SEVEN years to certify for passenger service back into the air, some seven years after grounding?
With no backup from the OEM? (What's in it for them?)
With no backup from BA Engineering? (They're trying to save BA from going bust)
With little backup from Air France? (They never had much TLC at the time anyway!)
So aside from all the minor quibbles, how much?
I heard it was damn near the same amount of money to keep one in the air as keep the active fleet of 5 /6 in service. No wonder Rod Eddington had to reluctantly say no.
Something as complex as the SST would have to be in the hands of utter professionals. No such group exists or has funding. Really. Consider the clowns below :
Save Concorde Group
They're not anywhere near budget either. When people are losing their livelihoods everyday, there are better things to throw money at. At least the Vulcan has an outside chance of a few more years.
Let it go.
With no backup from the OEM? (What's in it for them?)
With no backup from BA Engineering? (They're trying to save BA from going bust)
With little backup from Air France? (They never had much TLC at the time anyway!)
So aside from all the minor quibbles, how much?
I heard it was damn near the same amount of money to keep one in the air as keep the active fleet of 5 /6 in service. No wonder Rod Eddington had to reluctantly say no.
Something as complex as the SST would have to be in the hands of utter professionals. No such group exists or has funding. Really. Consider the clowns below :
Save Concorde Group
It would also be a living tribute to cooperation between European nations in the post-war era, and could be timed to coincide with the celebrations for the London Olympics in 2012.
Let it go.
£15m seems to be not a lot to get a complex jet aircraft from "mothballed" to air worthy.
The Wikipedia (so taken with a large pinch of salt) page on the return of one of the stored Tu-144's to flight for the NASA tests in the 90's claims (without a citation) that $350m was spent. Now that would have included work to kit out the aircraft as a flying lab, and may, or may not have included the costs associated with fitting the airframe with different engines.
Either way, the work would have been done with the support of Tupolev, I'm not sure Airbus would be wading in with any large amounts of help.
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The Wikipedia (so taken with a large pinch of salt) page on the return of one of the stored Tu-144's to flight for the NASA tests in the 90's claims (without a citation) that $350m was spent. Now that would have included work to kit out the aircraft as a flying lab, and may, or may not have included the costs associated with fitting the airframe with different engines.
Either way, the work would have been done with the support of Tupolev, I'm not sure Airbus would be wading in with any large amounts of help.
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Just a small thought, as all pilots who ever had a leicence[spelling]? to fly the bird had them revoked or they lapsed after 6months due to nil renewal and no "hands on ,and 8years since it last flew , to become a "Rocket" pilot meant you were high in the lists of the "senior" ladder and must have retired , will the French and British Aviation Authorities allow new pilots to be trained and given "permits to fly " even if there is still Flight Simulator still working , and what about the Flight Eng they are now extinct with the demise of the 100and 200 747s and I imagine the courses for all the permits would be long and for what, 1 a/c that will cost a fortune even to get sufficent fuel in it to keep the c of g in line
One final thought imagine the cost of insuring the thing not the plane loss but life and damage to propery should the worse happen.
One final thought imagine the cost of insuring the thing not the plane loss but life and damage to propery should the worse happen.
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It's now totally outdated, even if some people still quote it.
More importantly, none of the aircraft is in anywhere near a "mothballed" state.
To mothball the aircraft, for instance the fuel system would not just have been drained, but refilled with light oil, to prevent corrosion taking hold and seals drying out.
Also, of course, the engines would have been dropped and fully processed for long term storage as per the maintenance manual, not left under the wings.
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The Wikipedia (so taken with a large pinch of salt) page on the return of one of the stored Tu-144's to flight for the NASA tests in the 90's claims (without a citation) that $350m was spent. Now that would have included work to kit out the aircraft as a flying lab, and may, or may not have included the costs associated with fitting the airframe with different engines.
Either way, the work would have been done with the support of Tupolev.
Either way, the work would have been done with the support of Tupolev.
Without looking up the exact figures, the cost of the "flying lab" was about $18M.
The $350M was the total cost of the NASA HST research program.
We don't know what exactly the $18M paid for....
Manhours (design, overhaul, modifications, flight test personnel) would have been billed based on Russian wages.
The main jobs would have been the maufacture of the modified engine nacelles and the installation of the test instrumentation.
The engines were leased from the Russian air force, and returned after the programme was finished.
Maybe spares weren't even billed, since they would have come from Tupolev stores, and after all, Tupolev was keeping the aircraft.
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Fears are growing that Bristol's Concorde could be mothballed | Bristol News
This is for supposed 'maintenance'. Exactly what will be done for a static display, that volunteers are keeping clean? Almost certainly more going on than meets the eye, we can but live in hope..
This is for supposed 'maintenance'. Exactly what will be done for a static display, that volunteers are keeping clean? Almost certainly more going on than meets the eye, we can but live in hope..
It is very concerning that Airbus could do this. Yes I understand that these aircraft are only displayed "on loan", but one wonders why Airbus or BA should have any active interest, especially to the extent of removing this beautiful aeroplane from the public eye.
One can only hope they do not have the power, or wish to do something similar with G-BOAA at the National Museum of Flight.
One can only hope they do not have the power, or wish to do something similar with G-BOAA at the National Museum of Flight.
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