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A340 of Iberia skids off runway in Quito

Old 10th Nov 2007, 00:39
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Exclamation A340 of Iberia skids off runway in Quito

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Old 10th Nov 2007, 02:23
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Looks pretty bad, the plane is quite beaten up, possible write off?

http://www.elperiodico.cat/default.a...seccio_PK=1007

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http://www.elperiodico.cat/info/gale...&idgaleria=969

Looking at these, both right engines seem to have torn from the wing or at least severely bent. Only one slide deployed, may suggest they only evacuated after a while, so that may explain why nobody was hurt (according to the sources).

Looking at the situation, they seem to have been quite lucky to stop where they did. There is quite a drop a few planelengts further on.

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Old 10th Nov 2007, 03:09
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They're very lucky they stopped when they did. The fuselage doesn't seem to be damaged or bent at all; the No2 pylon is presumably repairable, so I would be surprised if it's a write-off.

UIO's altitude is about 9,000', hence a significantly higher landing speed - and a greater chance of tyrebursts.
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I am guessing write off. Wing may be bent. IMportant thing is that everyone is OK hopefully.
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The number 1 engine looks at a strange angle too!
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Write off? Write off? Do you chaps know what you are talking about? Please, unless you have some sort of engineering background, no more of this garbage 'armchair expert' guesswork! Nobody wants to hear non-expert opinions here!
Qantas 747 at BKK....repaired. AF 747 Tahiti (?)..... repaired. JAL DC8 ditched into Tokyo Bay...repaired. There is not much wrong with that aeroplane. The fuselage looks unstressed, the undercarriage still appears to be intact. Wing repairs, change flaps & 2 engines, change undercarriage bits, run engines and off she goes!
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Rainboe. is there a reason why you're permanently angry?
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Old 10th Nov 2007, 08:21
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Absolutely - it is fine! Those engines are just swivelled to help steer towards the lake. It is a new AB mod. 747 has had it for years. A quick hose down and off she goes. Built like a brick-built john, those AB s are.
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Old 10th Nov 2007, 08:43
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Here's a link to some more photos

http://www.elperiodico.cat/info/gale...&idgaleria=969
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Old 10th Nov 2007, 09:25
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Mitty's back. Down Boy!

Rainboe. is there a reason why you're permanently angry?
Not angry at all . Exasperated. Exasperated with people who come here and pretend to be experts, spouting out things they have no idea of. This is an eminently repairable aeroplane. Anybody who knows flying knows that even a wheels up can be repaired quite happily. I remember even a Korean 747 that got blown backwards down a long slope, and lost its undercarriage was recovered and repaired.
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He has obviously forgotten the true meaning behind these boards...
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Rainboe,

Of interest, QF 744 at BKK was a write off in insurance terms, QF just paid for repairs to avoid the term hull loss on the books, am sure they they are not alone in doing this.

This 340 looks like a cheap fix from the pics, but you never know???
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Looking at the pictures, how can anyone give a true visual inspection?

There could be any underling stress damage and or twisted frames etc.

Wait for the investigation.
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Of interest, QF 744 at BKK was a write off in insurance terms, QF just paid for repairs to avoid the term hull loss on the books, am sure they they are not alone in doing this.
Thats just a [email protected] rumour.

Quicker to fix aero than write it off and wait for Mr Boeing to build one.
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Old 10th Nov 2007, 10:39
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How many hours did it take to evacuate this aircraft???? The evacuation started in daylight and continued into the night?
Rainboe is the acting PPRuNe police. Every forum got one.
Edit: It seems they never did evacuate. They didn't burn to death, so it worked out OK. I know what I would have done, though.
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Here is another clear picture a lot off damage if you ask me!


http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6104979
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I say its a write-off, limited space in Quito to patch this bird up.
More rumors, female pilot (as with SAA incident) and that IB had burst tires on an (initial report of reason for the accident) A346 on 30th of august 2007.
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Nobody wants to hear non-expert opinions here!
[QUOTE]There is not much wrong with that aeroplane. The fuselage looks unstressed, the undercarriage still appears to be intact.../QUOTE]

"The fuselage looks unstressed" - how do you figure that out?

Nobody wants to have to read that sort of castigation followed by an uniformed opinion, it's just irritating; and yes I'm an aeronautical engineering expert, at least that what it's says on my PhD...even my former well known employers agreed to a certain extent on that

All aeroplanes are repairable and it has little to do with the engineering consensus; it all up the insurers in the end.
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Old 10th Nov 2007, 11:15
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Quote from the Jetphotos.net photographer:

The airplane landed at 17:15 with light rain and wet RWY. According to people who saw the airplane land, the aircraft it skid out of control, and over shot the RWY into the grass area. As it hit the grass one of the main landing gears tore off, the aircraft sank into the grass hitting part of the underground tunnel structure, ripping and blowing up other tires making the plane stop. Then engines 1 and 2 hit the ground causing them to rip off the wing. Certainly a terrible incident, thankfully no fatalities! Airport will be closed for about 1 day.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the LH MLG has collapsed or been torn from the gear rib.

I would say that they will need a full set of gear (~USD 10m) a pair of engines, nacelles and pylons ($50m+ at spares price), and about 2 months in a hangar, 3 months if the gear rib needs to be replaced, as it never has been done on an A346 before.
I would think that Iberia would be quite happy to have it written off, lets face it the A346 is not exactly Queen of the Sky, and I have a feeling that they are worth more as a financial write-off than an airframe.
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