Windy weather causes flight chaos

[Skytrucker87]

Just had a call from Mrs Trux at STN. She tells me that there are loads of go-arounds due to the high winds. Apparently one OLearyAir made it but only just managed to stay on the black bit.

[WindSheer]

Have you not seen the wx outside??

GA's are going to be a common thing today my friend. Its happenin a lot at BRS today aswell, a/c unstable in the APP, GA'ing, holding and then landing safely!

Just heard that Cardiff is closed!! So a few GA's at STN is not that big a deal.
All the best..

[ajamieson]

LPL as an alternate to STN?

Originally Posted by Press Assocation

EMERGENCY LANDING AFTER LOW FUEL FEARS
By Emma Gunby, PA
An easyJet plane travelling from Belfast to Stansted made an emergency landing today after running low on fuel.
The pilot contacted air traffic controllers and requested an unscheduled landing at Liverpool John Lennon Airport.
A spokeswoman for the airport said emergency services were put on standby and the plane landed safely at 11.40am.
All passengers were taken off the plane while a safety inspection was carried out.
The passengers are now being transferred to Stansted Airport via coach.
mfl

[FlapsOne]

And the press association ALWAYS get it right.....................don't they!!!

Emergency landing!!
Safety Inspection!!

........for apparently low fuel.......................Yeah!

(unless it was a leak perhaps).

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by FlapsOne

And the press association ALWAYS get it right.....................don't they

Well at least they couldn't say "narrowly missed a school", Liverpool approach being over water at both ends - bet they are really disappointed in the newsroom.

[adverse-bump]

i think you will find the lvp app for 27 goes over Hale, that has two primary schools!

Interesting story on the news about the divert, fire engines where waiting, one hit a car enroute killing the driver.

[Bearcat]

it gusted at one stage 74kts at EIDW.

Sporty!!

[slingsby]

EHAM, consistent +45/50 knts, occn +70knt gust
Flying baggage, rolling bag carts, wobbling catering trucks, moving aircraft for INS/IRS allignment problems, too much wind up the tailpipes, can't shut doors, yes I would agree rather sporting. I am one who is glad to be on the ground today

Parody of the film Twister,, "hey, we got baggage going past the window" So anyone with a small black softsided travel tow-along, with a red ribbon round the handle is missing their bag, it headed off towards the KLM cargo centre at around 1130 :-)

Even the birds have given up trying to fly, I wouldn't even start to guess the ground speed of the downwind pigeon......

[touch&go]

Very sad to hear about the fire engine crash at LPL, not a good day due to the Wx

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/6275327.stm

[180 Too Fower]

Question, What "Gust Factor" do you heavy metal guys n girls add on to your approach speed? Vref + ? and half gust or something.

Just interested.

[DingleRoad]

Originally Posted by Mike Jenvey

Not surprised, Stansted:

EGSS 181320Z 26032G53KT 9999 BKN035 12/07 Q0985=
EGSS 181250Z 25032G46KT 9999 FEW024 SCT040 13/08 Q0984=
EGSS 181220Z 25032G47KT 9999 FEW012 SCT024 13/09 Q0983 RERA=
EGSS 181220Z 25032G47KT 9999 FEW012 SCT024 13/09 Q0983 RERA=

Luton:

EGGW 181320Z 26045G60KT 240V300 9999 FEW018 SCT033 11/07 Q0985=
EGGW 181250Z 26041G59KT 9999 SCT021 12/07 Q0985=
EGGW 181220Z 25034G51KT 9999 SCT020 11/09 Q0984=
EGGW 181220Z 25034G51KT 9999 SCT020 11/09 Q0984=

Liverpool isn't that calm either:

EGGP 181320Z 27049G64KT 9999 SCT040 11/03 Q0980=
EGGP 181250Z 26043G65KT 9999 SCT030 11/03 Q0978=
EGGP 181220Z 26039G53KT 9999 SCT030 12/02 Q0978=
EGGP 181220Z 26039G53KT 9999 SCT030 12/02 Q0978=

If you think that is bad, look at LBA ! All that plus an out of wind runway !!

[omnidirectional737]

Originally Posted by 180 Too Fower

Question, What "Gust Factor" do you heavy metal guys n girls add on to your approach speed? Vref + ? and half gust or something.

Just interested.

1/2 the headwind + all the gust in excess of the h/w max 20kts

[easy]

Can anyone here explain why Air France and KLM 737's were giving 160kts as their final approach speeds into CDG this morning, when we managed a mere 145kts i.e half headwind + all gust to a max 20kt increment (actuals 250/30 gusting 45)?

[180 Too Fower]

Thanks omnidirectional737

So example, 260/30 Gusting 50 you would Vref +15kts (Half H/W) + 20kts (Max 20 increment) makes Vref+35.....and so do keep that Approach Speed all the way to the Threshold?

[kite]

180 Too Fower

I don't think your example is quite correct. Judging by his name I think omni is refering to B737s. If so I think the max 20kts is over and above Vref only. So in your example the VApp would be limited to Vref +20.

I could be wrong though, I've been on the Bus for a couple of years now. Incidentally the Airbus has groundspeedmini, this is a black art which can only be devined by wizards and mages.

[Stan Woolley]

easy

Probably 800's(KLM 900's?) using F30 flying Vref +15kts.

[llondel]

As an SLF who flew out of STN yesterday afternoon and back today, I was watching the go-arounds with interest from the Ryanair gate area. It was interesting to see the differences in height that various aircraft gave up - one was quite close to the ground whereas others were much further back. It wasn't possible to see how far off-centre they were at decision point but it must have been very interesting at the sharp end. There were also some impressive puffs of smoke from tyres on occasion, I guess that's when things aren't quite square.

When I boarded my flight I did ask if they'd had a fun landing... Take-off was relatively smooth, I've had worse at Gatwick in much milder weather.

Anyway, hello to all, I've been lurking here for a year or two and finally got inspired to register and comment.

[390cruise]

welcome

llondel

Welcome

390cruise

[PGA]

And what do you do when its gusting? In my company there seems to be a little confusion as to how to go about gusts. I personally take gusts in to account. Windlimit for the aircaft 50 kts, wind reported as 270/40G55, I aint going. What about you guys?

[Dualbleed]

on x-wind limit in 737. gusts are always included.