alcohol smell and smoking in the cockpit
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alcohol smell and smoking in the cockpit
Hi folks,
Like my college Fmc_apprentice I have recently begun my career as an airline pilot with the big Irish mob. Fmc_apprentice brought up the problems we encounter about smoking in the cockpit a few month a go.
This is still a serious and an ongoing issue, but what anxious me even more is the alcohol smell of some, especially senior captains on early shifts. The best you can do in Ryanair is shut up and keep your head down.
Pls let me know if there are more F / Os out there who suffer with the same problem and don’t know what to do, without open a tin of worms and get fired.
Like my college Fmc_apprentice I have recently begun my career as an airline pilot with the big Irish mob. Fmc_apprentice brought up the problems we encounter about smoking in the cockpit a few month a go.
This is still a serious and an ongoing issue, but what anxious me even more is the alcohol smell of some, especially senior captains on early shifts. The best you can do in Ryanair is shut up and keep your head down.
Pls let me know if there are more F / Os out there who suffer with the same problem and don’t know what to do, without open a tin of worms and get fired.
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I know that sounds weird ...
The kamikaze-way of problem-solving:
How about if YOU behave as if YOU were drunk ?
When some cabin crew member notices your behaviour
they'll also notice the smell.
But they'll soon realize that it is not you who smells a bit drunk :-)
Now you've delegated the problem to the cabin crew ;-)
Well, honestly: I would ask him/her to go sick because
"I think you don't look too well - are you sure that you're fine ?".
And depending on whether there'll be some kind of discussion or
not you can alternatively insinuate that it ultimately will be you
who doesn't feel good (in that situation).
On the other hand: what does your behaviour show if you decide to keep ignoring alcohol smell in the cockpit ?
Maybe inferiority and a lack of backbone ?
Just consider it a "test" for a moment - what if HE/SHE is testing
you and your reaction ?
So, go and tell him/her that you've smelled the alcohol and ask
whether you've passed that test :-)
regs
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How about if YOU behave as if YOU were drunk ?
When some cabin crew member notices your behaviour
they'll also notice the smell.
But they'll soon realize that it is not you who smells a bit drunk :-)
Now you've delegated the problem to the cabin crew ;-)
Well, honestly: I would ask him/her to go sick because
"I think you don't look too well - are you sure that you're fine ?".
And depending on whether there'll be some kind of discussion or
not you can alternatively insinuate that it ultimately will be you
who doesn't feel good (in that situation).
On the other hand: what does your behaviour show if you decide to keep ignoring alcohol smell in the cockpit ?
Maybe inferiority and a lack of backbone ?
Just consider it a "test" for a moment - what if HE/SHE is testing
you and your reaction ?
So, go and tell him/her that you've smelled the alcohol and ask
whether you've passed that test :-)
regs
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GoAroundFLap15,
Flying for the same Irish as you, I really disagree with your post here. First of all I really don't understand why you have to shut up and keep your head down. As in any other company you have the possibility to take action if you think it's required.
Second of all I think you shouldn't try to sort it out on PPrune, are you sure you're a pilot and not a journalist? Have you tried talking about it to your colleages, other F/O's in the company?
Third, I don't know about your experience, but I have never had an alcohol-related experience within Ryanair and I really think you're creating a wrong impression by your post, like you fly with 'smelly' captains every week.
Flying for the same Irish as you, I really disagree with your post here. First of all I really don't understand why you have to shut up and keep your head down. As in any other company you have the possibility to take action if you think it's required.
Second of all I think you shouldn't try to sort it out on PPrune, are you sure you're a pilot and not a journalist? Have you tried talking about it to your colleages, other F/O's in the company?
Third, I don't know about your experience, but I have never had an alcohol-related experience within Ryanair and I really think you're creating a wrong impression by your post, like you fly with 'smelly' captains every week.
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You would never get into a car with a DRUNKEN DRIVER would you now?
so if it was really true about captains smelling of drink then why are you so irresponsible in letting a cpt get into the aircraft and fly with 5 crew members onboard and 189 pax sitting behind you?
And risking the lives of yourself and everyone onboard?
so if it was really true about captains smelling of drink then why are you so irresponsible in letting a cpt get into the aircraft and fly with 5 crew members onboard and 189 pax sitting behind you?
And risking the lives of yourself and everyone onboard?
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Reported to work after a particularly heavy weekend and was sent straight home....with a SEVERE reprimand - never did it again - caused major ructions.
Why don't you have a word with your bosses if you haven't got the guts to tackle your captains outright????
Why don't you have a word with your bosses if you haven't got the guts to tackle your captains outright????
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The Alcohol smell could or could not mean a person has been drinking.
Adult Onset Diabetes shows up gradually in older, usually heavier people.
Even though they have passed their last FAA exam, it is possible that the pancreas has slowed enough so they have diabetes.
If a diabetec consumes starches, they can ferment and form alcohol in the body. This is a well known problem for police who are stopping drunken drivers. In this country they have to discertain whether the drive is a diabetic or not.
It has also been the subject of many movies.
This is why we have to undergo the six month exam (at least for Captains in my country).
Adult Onset Diabetes shows up gradually in older, usually heavier people.
Even though they have passed their last FAA exam, it is possible that the pancreas has slowed enough so they have diabetes.
If a diabetec consumes starches, they can ferment and form alcohol in the body. This is a well known problem for police who are stopping drunken drivers. In this country they have to discertain whether the drive is a diabetic or not.
It has also been the subject of many movies.
This is why we have to undergo the six month exam (at least for Captains in my country).
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GoAround-Flaps15
The big Irish mob should do something fast when they read your post. What they should do is look at "my college", "we encounter about", "what anxious me", "without open" and "a tin of worms" then look to see what F/O they've hired whose first language isn't English, is probably German going by the syntax, phrasing and construction, and then get shot of him as soon as they possibly can.
Why would they want to employ someone who comes onto a public forum and slags off his company? If no F/O fits the description they know it's someone trying to cause trouble, possibly a journo.
Funny how your "college" Fmc_apprentice went very quiet when someone showed he was using two names to agree with himself damaging his company. Funny how he hasn't posted on the smoking topic since.
If you're genuinely employed by the big Irish mob naming your company on a public website would be bad at any time. When the press is whipping up fears about pilots under the influence of drink, it's disgusting. If you were sincere you could have asked for advice without naming your company.
This thread stinks of a put-up job to use Prune to cause trouble.
If you are genuinely employed by them, I hope they ID you kick you out.
The big Irish mob should do something fast when they read your post. What they should do is look at "my college", "we encounter about", "what anxious me", "without open" and "a tin of worms" then look to see what F/O they've hired whose first language isn't English, is probably German going by the syntax, phrasing and construction, and then get shot of him as soon as they possibly can.
Why would they want to employ someone who comes onto a public forum and slags off his company? If no F/O fits the description they know it's someone trying to cause trouble, possibly a journo.
Funny how your "college" Fmc_apprentice went very quiet when someone showed he was using two names to agree with himself damaging his company. Funny how he hasn't posted on the smoking topic since.
If you're genuinely employed by the big Irish mob naming your company on a public website would be bad at any time. When the press is whipping up fears about pilots under the influence of drink, it's disgusting. If you were sincere you could have asked for advice without naming your company.
This thread stinks of a put-up job to use Prune to cause trouble.
If you are genuinely employed by them, I hope they ID you kick you out.
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HOVERMAN
Have not seen such an unnecessary hateful, racialism reply before. Reason enough to sign up with PPRUN to reply as well. The nationality of GA Flaps 15 does not matter, it is your personal guess he might be or not but has nothing to do with contents of the post. It’s sounds to me you feel personally attacked. Maybe he got some on a weak spot?
However it’s not new crews got caught with blood alcohol. Definitely it is a shame to have such pilots or crewmembers, but it happened in every country, even in moslem countries witch I know out of own experience. Out of many other posts, the politics in FR are obviously to control employees by fear. Bad enough to see so many negative posts about one airline. Question: are they all wrong? or what are the truth.
B737
Have not seen such an unnecessary hateful, racialism reply before. Reason enough to sign up with PPRUN to reply as well. The nationality of GA Flaps 15 does not matter, it is your personal guess he might be or not but has nothing to do with contents of the post. It’s sounds to me you feel personally attacked. Maybe he got some on a weak spot?
However it’s not new crews got caught with blood alcohol. Definitely it is a shame to have such pilots or crewmembers, but it happened in every country, even in moslem countries witch I know out of own experience. Out of many other posts, the politics in FR are obviously to control employees by fear. Bad enough to see so many negative posts about one airline. Question: are they all wrong? or what are the truth.
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"Racialism reply"?
Fool. My wife's German, that's how I know the syntax Germans use in English.
What a coincidence one new member whose first language isn't English registers to slag off his company and now a second new member whose first language isn't English registers to support him.
As I said before, this thread stinks just as the one FMC started stank.
Fool. My wife's German, that's how I know the syntax Germans use in English.
What a coincidence one new member whose first language isn't English registers to slag off his company and now a second new member whose first language isn't English registers to support him.
As I said before, this thread stinks just as the one FMC started stank.
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The actual booze events in the recent past involved BA (twice?), Lufthansa and Virgin Atlantic. One theory being developed here is that we haven't heard about Ryanair because the pilots are too scared to say anything.
Was it not passengers and in one case ,the media ,who brought about the police intervention in the actual incidents?. Not colleagues.
In that case, are the BA, LH and Virgin pilots also too scared to say anything or is it that they are happy to fly with boozy colleagues. Are Ryanair passengers too scared to say anything where B, Lufthansa and Virgin pax are made of sterner stuff?
None of the above IMHO.
All of the cases relate to crews overnighting away from home in a hotel. Ryanair does not roster overnights and crews return to base at the end of every duty. There is no overnight flying and life is relatively "normal".
I don't think this relates to any particular airline (or business) but to the nature of hotel nights away from home with a team of colleagues.
If the alleged Ryanair pilot who started this post has a problem with any Captain he should have reported him/her through the confidential system if he is afraid of colleagues negative reaction or to the IAA or police if he is afraid of Ryanair negative reaction .Although, I cannot believe that either colleagues or company would do anything other than take him seriously.
.....If he was serious...I think he is winding us up.
Was it not passengers and in one case ,the media ,who brought about the police intervention in the actual incidents?. Not colleagues.
In that case, are the BA, LH and Virgin pilots also too scared to say anything or is it that they are happy to fly with boozy colleagues. Are Ryanair passengers too scared to say anything where B, Lufthansa and Virgin pax are made of sterner stuff?
None of the above IMHO.
All of the cases relate to crews overnighting away from home in a hotel. Ryanair does not roster overnights and crews return to base at the end of every duty. There is no overnight flying and life is relatively "normal".
I don't think this relates to any particular airline (or business) but to the nature of hotel nights away from home with a team of colleagues.
If the alleged Ryanair pilot who started this post has a problem with any Captain he should have reported him/her through the confidential system if he is afraid of colleagues negative reaction or to the IAA or police if he is afraid of Ryanair negative reaction .Although, I cannot believe that either colleagues or company would do anything other than take him seriously.
.....If he was serious...I think he is winding us up.
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GoAround-Flaps15 / Boeing_NG_Driver
(Please delete the username you're not using today.)
Your attempt to damage FR hasn't worked so well this time, has it?
Shrewd readers saw through your friend FMC's little game (under various usernames) last time although, it has to be conceded, you fooled many and one member (not a pilot) even decided to get involved by writing to the company on your behalf.
He hasn't joined in this time, so either he's not falling for the same trick twice, or he now gets out more.
Credit people with some intelligence. You can fool some people once, but they'd have to be really stupid to be fooled twice.
Heliport
(Please delete the username you're not using today.)
Your attempt to damage FR hasn't worked so well this time, has it?
Shrewd readers saw through your friend FMC's little game (under various usernames) last time although, it has to be conceded, you fooled many and one member (not a pilot) even decided to get involved by writing to the company on your behalf.
He hasn't joined in this time, so either he's not falling for the same trick twice, or he now gets out more.Credit people with some intelligence. You can fool some people once, but they'd have to be really stupid to be fooled twice.
Heliport
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Hi there,
student PPL here.
Ive been a member of this website for about 3 months and i have noticed that some weirdo's (i have been looking at past posts and came across a certain "ryanair pilot" from up north who got banged up for molesting (NDR:-( )) who i think have no role in the aviation industry at all, pop up now and then to "pretend" they are pilots.
can someone enlighten me on why people post such daft content like this twit?
why would anyone pretend that theyre something that theyre not?
why do they dream up these scenarios?
are they management/spies/journalists???
........and may i add..
if your serious about this,
as in any other job if you have any greivance, or your "captain" is doing these alleged things, you go to your superior. its common sense.
Pilot's have common sense.
But you already knew that, didnt you?
student PPL here.
Ive been a member of this website for about 3 months and i have noticed that some weirdo's (i have been looking at past posts and came across a certain "ryanair pilot" from up north who got banged up for molesting (NDR:-( )) who i think have no role in the aviation industry at all, pop up now and then to "pretend" they are pilots.
can someone enlighten me on why people post such daft content like this twit?
why would anyone pretend that theyre something that theyre not?
why do they dream up these scenarios?
are they management/spies/journalists???
........and may i add..
if your serious about this,
as in any other job if you have any greivance, or your "captain" is doing these alleged things, you go to your superior. its common sense.
Pilot's have common sense.
But you already knew that, didnt you?
