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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 19:40
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Originally Posted by MACH 1.0
Un tema que comenzó el pasado Julio en castellano, se ha convertido en un toma y dale continuado en inglés, promovido casi siempre por el mismo usuario.

Como se observa, hace bastante días/meses que nadie entra en castellano, ya que al parecer vuestras conversaciones ya no despiertan ningún interés...

Una pena, pero la verdad es que aburrís al personal y creo que mi opinión es generalizada...
Buenas,
La verdad es que sorprende, porque es un hilo en castellano. Ojo, incluso yo he respondido en inglés.
Yo creo que como en VLG hay bastante francés y europeos con ganas de entrar en la cía, han buscado un idioma en común.
Relativo a quién promueve escribir en ingles...*
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Originally Posted by FoxtrotCharlie7
Hi all.

I have just seen this at Pilot Jobs Network - Recruitment news for airline pilots and aviation schools (link to update): Vueling pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools

Current Situation: Upgrades courses CANCELED. Entry FO OCC cancelled also... No hiring plan for the next 3 years
Update from yesterday, 1/Nov/19

Best of luck to those waiting for news
The best airlines in the world (which vueling certainly is not) can't accurately predict hiring for the next 3 years but somehow vueling managed to?


PJN isn't a source, but if that source is good then I'd expect much worse than just no hiring for next 3 years.


Like I said it was the worst company presentation I've ever seen and I got a horrible impression. It was bad but not "no hiring for 3 years" bad.

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotCharlie7
Buenas,
La verdad es que sorprende, porque es un hilo en castellano. Ojo, incluso yo he respondido en inglés.
Yo creo que como en VLG hay bastante francés y europeos con ganas de entrar en la cía, han buscado un idioma en común.
Relativo a quién promueve escribir en ingles...*
Buenas FoxtrotCharlie,
Que tengamos que seguir el hilo diariamente en inglés en un hilo castellano, como bien dices sorprendente, es...
Yo también me he tenido que ver respondiendo en inglés en algún momento aunque hace tiempo, ya que no quise seguir participando de esa medida.
Tu conclusión aunque desafortunadamente es la correcta y real que se da en estos momentos, no es atenuante para ceñirse al idioma empleado en el hilo, por muy francés o europeo que se sea. A mí no se me ocurre entrar en Italian Forum , en cualquiera de los temas creados ( Air Dolomiti, Alitalia ..) o incluso en French Forum y colgar consultas o comentarios en inglés, sobre todo si veo que el hilo se sigue en el idioma local.
Solo es cuestión de aplicar el sentido común, y pensar qué rango de éxito tengo en obtener respuestas si empleo el idioma local o el inglés en cualquiera de esos foros.
Yo desde luego, soy de los de esforzarme en plantear la consulta en italiano o francés, respectivamente.
El problema radica en que lejos de responder a los pilotos europeos en castellano, lo hacemos en inglés, lo cual termina generando este resultado que nos encontramos, aunque a decir verdad, yendo a la raíz, ellos se ven amparados en que la Compañía no exige el castellano como requisito, al contrario de lo SÍ muchas compañías europeas aplican en sus respectivos países, con respecto a su idioma local.
Algo más sorprendente aún, es lo que sucede en el hilo actual " Iberia pilot salary " en el que se ha empleado el inglés desde su creación cuando hasta lo que yo conozco Iberia si exige un nivel mínimo de castellano.

Requisitos básicos

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  • Nivel mínimo de estudios: Prueba de acceso a la universidad aprobada o estudios finalizados que permitan el acceso a la universidad.
  • Cualificación mínima: ATPL(A) frozen EASA parte FCL y MCC.
  • Certificado médico clase 1 en vigor.
  • Certificado de competencia lingüística en Inglés mínimo nivel 4 y Castellano nivel 5.
  • Derecho a trabajar en la Unión Europea y pasaporte sin restricciones.
  • Certificado de antecedentes penales.

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no need to speak spanish at Vueling 👍
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Originally Posted by MACH 1.0
Buenas FoxtrotCharlie,
Que tengamos que seguir el hilo diariamente en inglés en un hilo castellano, como bien dices sorprendente, es...
Yo también me he tenido que ver respondiendo en inglés en algún momento aunque hace tiempo, ya que no quise seguir participando de esa medida.
Tu conclusión aunque desafortunadamente es la correcta y real que se da en estos momentos, no es atenuante para ceñirse al idioma empleado en el hilo, por muy francés o europeo que se sea. A mí no se me ocurre entrar en Italian Forum , en cualquiera de los temas creados ( Air Dolomiti, Alitalia ..) o incluso en French Forum y colgar consultas o comentarios en inglés, sobre todo si veo que el hilo se sigue en el idioma local.
Solo es cuestión de aplicar el sentido común, y pensar qué rango de éxito tengo en obtener respuestas si empleo el idioma local o el inglés en cualquiera de esos foros.
Yo desde luego, soy de los de esforzarme en plantear la consulta en italiano o francés, respectivamente.
El problema radica en que lejos de responder a los pilotos europeos en castellano, lo hacemos en inglés, lo cual termina generando este resultado que nos encontramos, aunque a decir verdad, yendo a la raíz, ellos se ven amparados en que la Compañía no exige el castellano como requisito, al contrario de lo SÍ muchas compañías europeas aplican en sus respectivos países, con respecto a su idioma local.
Algo más sorprendente aún, es lo que sucede en el hilo actual " Iberia pilot salary " en el que se ha empleado el inglés desde su creación cuando hasta lo que yo conozco Iberia si exige un nivel mínimo de castellano.

Requisitos básicos

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  • Nivel mínimo de estudios: Prueba de acceso a la universidad aprobada o estudios finalizados que permitan el acceso a la universidad.
  • Cualificación mínima: ATPL(A) frozen EASA parte FCL y MCC.
  • Certificado médico clase 1 en vigor.
  • Certificado de competencia lingüística en Inglés mínimo nivel 4 y Castellano nivel 5.
  • Derecho a trabajar en la Unión Europea y pasaporte sin restricciones.
  • Certificado de antecedentes penales.
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Completamente de acuerdo, pero a la vez no me sorprende y lejos estoy de discutir por el idioma.
He escuchado discutir por frecuencia por esto mismo, volando en España y me ha parecido de una falta de profesionalidad increíble (piloto recriminando a ATC porqué NO le hablaba en Español y SÍ en Inglés). De traca.

Vamos a seguir con el hilo y creeme que estoy de acuerdo con esto especialmente
Originally Posted by MACH 1.0
Solo es cuestión de aplicar el sentido común, y pensar qué rango de éxito tengo en obtener respuestas si empleo el idioma local o el inglés en cualquiera de esos foros.
Yo desde luego, soy de los de esforzarme en plantear la consulta en italiano o francés, respectivamente.
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Saludos
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Originally Posted by FoxtrotCharlie7
Hi all.

I have just seen this at ...

Current Situation: Upgrades courses CANCELED. Entry FO OCC cancelled also... No hiring plan for the next 3 years
Update from yesterday, 1/Nov/19

Best of luck to those waiting for news

3 years is quite a lot of time in dynamic aviation world. But if that is true, why they didn't take down job posting from their careers website and why are they still inviting people to interviews and sim assessments?

Speaking of which ... can anybody share what was the interview like? And regarding simulator: do they provide some kind of guide before sim session? What to expect, maybe pitch / power settings, charts, procedures etc?
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OCCs have been postponed, that's all. It might be related to the new addition to the IAG family, or not. No panic. Time will tell.

I find it quite incredible that some candidates are turning up moaning about Vueling and their briefings, pretty much stating that it is the worst airline to work for, but they are still here waiting for a response. If you hate Vueling before even being there, just do not continue with the process, call them and say, "hey! I do not want to work for you". Why don't you do that? I wonder...

The truth is, some OCCs are already full (although dates changed) and candidates are getting the heads up as we speak. Selection process still running. I fear some of the moaners here prefer or will prefer to blame Vueling and make it look a **** airline before admitting that they just did not get through.

The airline went through its best summer with a new collective labour agreement coming in. They need "cool" people, not moaners.
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[QUOTE=vikdream;10611087]OCCs have been postponed, that's all. It might be related to the new addition to the IAG family, or not. No panic. Time will tell.

I find it quite incredible that some candidates are turning up moaning about Vueling and their briefings, pretty much stating that it is the worst airline to work for, but they are still here waiting for a response. If you hate Vueling before even being there, just do not continue with the process, call them and say, "hey! I do not want to work for you". Why don't you do that? I wonder...

The truth is, some OCCs are already full (although dates changed) and candidates are getting the heads up as we speak. Selection process still running. I fear some of the moaners here prefer or will prefer to blame Vueling and make it look a **** airline before admitting that they just did not get through.

Dear Vikdream,

I totally agree with you. That´s the same point of view I stated on last Sep 22nd. See link below.

Vueling 2019

Pero INSISTO, a mí personalmente, lo que me carga, es ver que SOLO en este tema, se debate mayoritariamente en inglés, sobre una compañía española, y mayoritariamente con opiniones despectivas procedentes de pilotos que no son españoles, lo cual me hace pensar, que si siguen poniendo sus miras en esta compañía no perteneciente a sus respectivos países, quizá sea porque las opciones*que les ofrecen las compañías de sus propios países, o de cualquier otro país europeo, cumple mucho menos con sus expectativas, por tanto es contradictorio el que se quejen de las condiciones que ofrece Vueling.*
Tan fácil es , como si no les gusta, simplemente con no demostrar ese interés pertinaz en aplicar y ser seleccionados, solucionarían ese tema.
Me parece muy cínico, quejarse de una compañía y luego si eres seleccionado, frotarse las manos...**
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 11:15
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Just because someone applies to a company they don't automatically become fanboys and lose their right to complain, especially on Pprune of all places on the internet.
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If they pool together +50 pilots that meet all the prerequisites, took time off and traveled at their own expense to the assessment the least I'd expect is a little bit of information.

Why not give information regarding offers, course dates, scheduling, benefits, intake numbers? You seem to forget that assessment or interview is as much an opportunity for the candidate to sell themselves as it is for the company to do the same.

As for complaining about not typing in Spanish, the name of this thread is Vueling 2019 a company which does Not require Spanish. At no point in the assessment did they present bilingual slides let alone even speak in Spanish.

​​​​Perhaps this would be better suited in interviews board because Vueling, once again, is not a Spanish speaking company anymore.
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hawker400, I confirm, there is no need to speak spanish at Vueling, but we all know that by now, except mach1......


Anyway, Vueling is a nice company to work for with great benefits. If you have any questions please ask here and we will tell you. In any case if they call you for an interview you will be able to ask them what you want to know, it is fairly relaxed. Good luck and see you soon!
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Originally Posted by Hawker400
Just because someone applies to a company they don't automatically become fanboys and lose their right to complain, especially on Pprune of all places on the internet.
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If they pool together +50 pilots that meet all the prerequisites, took time off and traveled at their own expense to the assessment the least I'd expect is a little bit of information.

Why not give information regarding offers, course dates, scheduling, benefits, intake numbers? You seem to forget that assessment or interview is as much an opportunity for the candidate to sell themselves as it is for the company to do the same.

As for complaining about not typing in Spanish, the name of this thread is Vueling 2019 a company which does Not require Spanish. At no point in the assessment did they present bilingual slides let alone even speak in Spanish.

​​​​Perhaps this would be better suited in interviews board because Vueling, once again, is not a Spanish speaking company anymore.
Hawker400, no queramos evadirnos del tema que se aborda, por el interés que te mueve. Que Vueling no exija el castellano( algo que podríais agradecer, ya que eso es lo único al parecer que os mueve a poder aplicar, porque el resto son solo quejas..) no tiene nada que ver con que este foro se llame " Spanish Forum " donde si te molestas en mirar el resto de posts, en todos ellos se emplea el castellano, como es lógico.

Otra cosa es que se llamara " Vueling Forum " y aún así tampoco implicaría que se hablara en inglés, ya que mientras se demuestre lo contrario, y alguno le pese como a elmensajero(que ya me extrañaba que no entrara desde hace tiempo) la compañía Vueling sigue estando localizada en Territorio Español.

Insisto, por analogía, echad un vistazo al post " Air Dolomiti...." en Italian Forum y demostradme en qué porcentaje de intervención el tema se trata en inglés.

Air Dolomiti Ab Initio Cadet: DLR

Y lo mismo se puede aplicar para French Forum...
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Good news came in and I passed the selection. We have all been placed in a holding pool since they have no OCC dates available, mainly due to the return into the company of pilots that made use, from what I can understand, a leave of absence to work abroad.

So the question now is: does anybody know when there may be new OCC dates available?
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Good news came in and I passed the selection. We have all been placed in a holding pool since they have no OCC dates available, mainly due to the return into the company of pilots that made use, from what I can understand, a leave of absence to work abroad.

So the question now is: does anybody know when there may be new OCC dates available?
Congratulations! So, what happens now with self funding type rating? I guess they will have to provide you with OCC date well in advance so you will be able to do TR course, right?

Could you provide some information about interview? Anything special, technical questions etc? I am flying to BCN next week. Thanks.
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In my case, the interview was only 10 minutes and I was interviewed by the base captain of BCN. He just asked me what I'd do in case the captain wants to continue an unstabilised approach, and talk about an occurrence I had to use CRM. The two HR people just asked me to define myself in one word. For the other guys, it was a bit longer, but no more than 20-25 minutes.
They were very open to questions about the contract and job.
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe
Good news came in and I passed the selection. We have all been placed in a holding pool since they have no OCC dates available, mainly due to the return into the company of pilots that made use, from what I can understand, a leave of absence to work abroad.

So the question now is: does anybody know when there may be new OCC dates available?
Congrats bud!!!
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Tnx Banana Joe.
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Pues acabo de hacer la primera fase de la convocatoria. Como se dice en este hilo es examen en inglés (un texto para rellenar huecos) y 4 o 5 ejercicios de ATIS y aproximaciones, en mi caso bien pero hay que estar centrado no ha resultado fácil ya que solo lo ponen una vez.

El teórico son 100 pregs con 2 h, preguntas de todo tipo la verdad, muy variadas, algunas de banco otras no sé de donde las habrán sacado, no me ha ido nada bien ya que no le he podido dedicar mucho tiempo por trabajo.

No han dicho nada de los OCC.

Suerte a tod@s los que vais!

I just did the first phase (exams). It is exactly what it has been said in this post; an english exam (one text to fill in the gaps) and 3 or 5 ATIS and approach exercises, they just play it once and the audio is not the best so be aware!
About the technical exam, 100 questions and 2hrs, all kind of questions from everywhere actually, it wasn't quite good in my case as I had to focus in my job and didn't have much time to study properly.

They didn'y say anything about the OCC.

Good luck to everybody!
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Hola a todos. Alguien recibió alguna respuesta positiva de vueling? *Todas las personas con las que hablé dijeron que fracasaron, por qué no dijeron simplemente que dejamos de contratar?
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I think the hold pool is full for the medium term. We received a positive reply about 6 weeks after the simulator assessment and they told us the hold pool is valid up to summer 2021.
Apparently, it seems IAG has reduced growth forecast for Vueling. The rumours also has it they will introduce the MAX in 2021, other sources say 2023.
The return of some workers also reduced the need for recruitment.

I guess we will have to swim for quite a bit before hearing from them.
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Can anybody please post the link to the latest 'convenio'? I see from PPJN lots of info has been updated.
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