alex_s229

Lo que yo quería saber es qué habéis hecho para ser españoles, que méritos habéis hecho para nacer en España? Uno por haber nacido en España es superior a uno que nació en el Congo (sin faltar el respeto al Congo)? Mi pregunta es, porque no entiendo, el hecho de hayáis nacido en España y que Vueling sea española automáticamente os da prioridad y derechos? y sí sí porque? qué habéis hecho para merecer esa prioridad? nacer en España?*
En mi humilde opinion si una compañía necesita 100 pilotos, debería escoger a los 100 mejores, basándose en cualidades necesarias para ser piloto (el conocimiento del español no lo es) y en base a esas cualidades escoger a los 100 mejores, independientemente de sea chino, uzbeco, español, mujer, hombre, ambos, verde, morado etc....
No lo sé, este nacionalismo simple que te da derecho a todo solo porque has nacido en un lugar u en otro me parece muy oportunista.....
Hay que decir ademas que estáis comparando Vueling con Air france, Lufthansa, etc.... Vueling aunque sea española no es una compañía de bandera (esa seria Iberia que si requiere el español), Norwegian no requiere el noruego, wizz air no requiere ningún idioma, eurowings no requiere el aleman, WOW no requiere el islandés......
Esta es solo mi opinion, sin ánimos de ofender a nadie, y si, soy español y catalán, orgulloso de ser ambos pero totalmente consciente que no es mérito mío y es un privilegio que no todos tienen... he trabajado en 5 compañías extranjeras y nunca me han hecho sentir extranjero, siempre he sido bienvenido por lo que aporte profesionalmente y no por los idiomas que hable.....
Un ultimo punto en el cual tampoco quiero ofender pero me parece grave, el que diga que hablar en un idioma (español) en un aeropuerto internacional con la consecuencia que el 70% de los pilotos que están en frecuencia no se enteren, o no es piloto, o es un piloto que no sabe nada, absolutamente nada de safety....
Saludos
A

MACH 1.0

Suscribo todo lo expuesto por el compañero brunx.
Creo que con vuestra intención de unir Vueling con Europa, a su vez, con vuestros argumentos creáis desunión con el resto de España.
Y sí, el hecho de ser españoles, nos da derecho, o al menos debería ser así, a poder optar con preferencia a un puesto de trabajo como piloto, o como lo que sea..
La lástima como decía 767, es que perteneciendo a este país, mientras se demuestre lo contrario, no lo defendáis..**

maverickflyer

Yo estoy de acuerdo en que no debería importar de donde viene la persona, pero creo que se debería exigir o al menos poner como requisito "preferente" un mínimo de español (ni siquiera tendría que ser un nivel oficial OACI), no porque Vueling sea española, sino porque es mas fácil adaptarte a un país y una cultura si hablas el idioma. Y esto es válido tanto para España como para el resto de países. Eurowings por ejemplo, no tiene como requisito hablar alemán, pero si lo pone como una de sus preferencias. Es decir que de dos candidatos similares, cogerían al que habla alemán (y me parece lógico).

brunx

Correcto Maverickflyer; gracias por el apunte.
Esto se acerca bastante a lo que opino yo, y como digo, creo que sería el pensamiento generalizado si se hiciera un sondeo entre todos los pilotos que residen en el resto de Comunidades Autónomas de España...*

alex_s229

767pilot737

Según comenté en mi primer mensaje:

Todos sabemos que ciertos países no permiten por ley que pilotos de otras nacionalidades usurpen las profesiones de los suyos. Otros países sin estas leyes, las propias compañias son las que limitan la entrada a pilotos de su propia nacionalidad. Otras compañías que aún permitiendo la entrada de no nacionales, exigen el uso de su lengua materna. Otras como es el caso sólo limitan a tener el idioma oficial que todos los pilotos deberíamos tener para la operativa correspondiente

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo que debieran ser seleccionados los mejor preparados o experimentados, sin disticiones por razón de nacionalidad, sexo, raza o idioma, pero no en todos los países o compañías extranjeras ocurre lo mismo, bien por ley del país o reglamento interno de la compañía. En mi caso, que soy Español e insisto sin ánimo de discriminar a nadie, preferiría que las compañías españolas también se decantaran por esta opción, entiendo que no comparta mi opinión que es totalmente respetable al igual que me parece la suya

Con respecto a lo que comenta de Eurowings, le copio la última carta que he recibido con fecha 29 de Enero de 2019:

We would like to inform you that we have had to review our language skill requirements due to new company regulations

The following requirements apply with inmediate effect:

• good written and spoken German language, Non-natives will require a B2-level certificate
• for applications to Eurowings Europe Gmbh, German language skills are desirable, but not neccesary

The language certificate for B2 will be needed only upon recruitment at Germanwings Gmbh or Eurowings Gmbh

Con el resto de su comentario estoy totalmente de acuerdo

Gamesix

Hey guys,

Im preparing for the Cae Assessment in the Vueling Cadet program and as you can imagine Im really worried about the payment of the loan through the first years if i get to pass.
I have already seen the tables of the Convenio but I would appreciate some insight from current employees of Vueling as what is the average net pay at entry level for F/O given the base salary+variable.

Thanks a lot for your help!

FightFireWithFire

Gamesix I've tried to send you a message but your inbox is full!

Gamesix

Strange, I emptied it now. Only had the one I sent you and it was showing 100% full.

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ventor

Hi,
I'm in a similar situation. I'm in my final selection procedure (interview coming soon) but I'm worried about payments vs loan. Most of reviews about remuneration in VLG are negative, compared with other airlines. This is offset somehow by their bases and friendly working environment as well as free travel on their network.
But banks don't care about that.
If anyone has some inside data about an average (net) for entire package for an entry level position please share with us.
I was thinking to ask in upcoming interview, although I'm not sure if this is an appropiate question.
Thanks for help! Upfront data is important to take the right decision.

FightFireWithFire

HI, the followings are my net paychecks since I started with Vueling, entry level : 1699, 2784, 2801, 3324, 3453 , 2824, 4147 , 2104, 2420, 2780

Merovingio

Level??? because mine were much less... level E and 5. Averaging 2100€/month, including bonus and plenty of hours.

FightFireWithFire

Level E(6) based in Barcelona, doing 2-3 over night per month and salary based on the second Convenio's payscale.

I've been in touch with a guy who started the same month as me and he got basically the same amount of money.

Solenoid

ventor

Thanks guys for all your feedback. Indeed the remuneration is a shame for this profession and for the financial cost of getting there (cadet scheme +130K).
I recently had my interview (4th phase of selection process) and I had a negative experience with the company. I've had quite few interviews so far (in different industries as well) and I can say the experience with this company was a negative one and did not respect any of the basic rules of a professional interview . I've got there 30 min before my scheduled time and I was waiting in the waiting area. In about 5 min time, someone came and ask for my name and invited me into another room. The person did not great me, just asked to follow him., which I felt it was weird. I've got into a small room, with 3 people staying on the other side of the table.
I had my coat on me, I was looking around where to put it, but there was no place, so I was seated with my coat on me, that felt awkward.
(In all the interviews I've had before, you are greeted with: My name is ... and I am ...responsible of...Do you need something to drink? Do you want to leave your coat here, etc, some ^human^ and introduction questions).
And now the real unprofessionalism starts.
There was no introduction on their side (so basically. I don't know who interviewed me). That is rule nr 1, they must introduce themselves before interview starts....anyhow it did not happen..
Then they ask me.. are you the french guy?.. (I was bit confused to say the least.. they had my CV and my application and copy of my passport.. they suppose to know who are they interviewing..(apparently they didn't (for record, I'm not french). I was just case nr XXXX...
There was no dress code on their side, (tshirt and jeans) it did not felt professional. Also the people who interviewed me seams college graduates (two of the were very young and one was older).
They asked me few basic questions and they insist on me on speaking Spanish. I do speak broken Spanish and I understand all of it. Just to say that Spanish is not mandatory in application process, however don't waste your time applying if you don't speak Spanish. Seams the language is still a major factor. I will not go in the details of the questions, but it felt rude and unprofessional from start to end.
When we finished, I tried to asses what just happen, I could not believe that, 'that was the level of the interview'.
Right after this experience finished, I start to question myself if this is a company that I would like to work for.
If they treat you like that at the interview how will they treat you when you work for them and you have +130k debts and getting less than 2k a month?

This is my personal experience, I do not know if anyone experienced the same or it was just me.
I just want to emphases again that I compare this interview with many others I've had before and based on that I can say it was very unprofessional.
In few weeks time I have another interview with another airline, I will post about that as well. Hopefully, it will be a better experience.

stoneangel

very strange ventor... sorry for being a bit suspicious about your story, but it is not what others had.
maybe because it was a interview for cadets, but I dunno.

ventor

That was my real experience and indeed is was a cadet position with one of the schools you've mentioned.

Before reaching phase 4 (the airline interview for cadet position) I passed all assessment phases which included a 1h interview with the school itself. That interview was very professional, as well as all the phases before that, so nothing negative to say about the school. As I said before , I did not expect at all the way the interview was conducted.

If other cadets participated in the phase 4 with this airline, please share your experience.

Buenas

ventor;

I had the same exact experience it's like you're re-telling my story ! I felt so insecure when I left. The French guy was very rude and it was like no answer was good enough ! i knew all about the airliner, planes destinations etc, etc. No questions asked about that It was horrible !

Buenas

Yeah, It was not the standard interview you would have expected .... But did you got a place offered ? I did, but I don't have any details yet on the training, on how the transition process to the airline works, what sort of commitment you get, duration of the MPL? there are so many questions still, but I'm waiting for paperwork.

Let me know if you got a place ...

ventor

Congratulation for your spot. I did not get a spot in this program, I have discussions about different program, coming up soon an interview. I do not know neither the information u asked above, I though that would be communicated after or during the interview ( a clear path/milestone), but seams chaotic.

Success in the program! I guess on your side as a next step, you would have to secure the financial part.
For my information are you Spaniard or do you speak fluently Spanish?