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Originally Posted by pr00ne
(Post 10139460)
vapilot2004, Sallyann1234
What does not make sense is that the entire UK space industry is owned by EU companies, so a UK only alternative is really a non starter. Another BREXIT disaster in the making. And, Sallyann1234, the worrying bit of the post Brexit GPS is that the EU only allows access to the encrypted military bit to EU members. Does that matter - after all we would only go to war with the Yanks so would have access to their system. There was a story the other week that only 4 of Germany's fleet of 125 Euro-fighters were serviceable so I'm not sure what they think they are saving it for anyway. |
Let’s not be under any illusions that we count on anything but contempt and obstruction from anyone in EU now. Even if the remoaners wet-dreams came true and they managed to contrive to baulk the leaving process. Here we have a straightforward deal where we’ve paid a very significant part of development cost and made a massive technical contribution. Yet suddenly we’re a “security risk”; not even any pretence of dealing reasonably |
ShotOne,
Well life’s a bitch. Isn’t it. But when you flip the bone at friends, don’t be surprised when they treat you like you are treating them. |
Good for the UK. Although I would have thought inertial systems backed with beacons, terrain mapping, celestial etc would be all the rage considering the threats to a GPS.
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Originally Posted by DON T
(Post 10138937)
Google Maps? Given the desperation to leave the EU, the UK population need some morale boosting headlines and thus a perfect opportunity presents itself.. We therefore await..... " UK goes it alone ! No more EU interference on our roads !. Sales of UK road maps set to soar ! " The problems here of course being the confusion, and total bewilderment, for Sun readers, 50 % of Excess readers, the other 50 % being confused as to why there were no apocalyptic weather warnings on every page (Torygraph readers, in keeping with their military affiliations, would simply delegate to a minion ) and Mail readers who would be confused as to why there were colours other than red, white and blue when attempting to read.......a map. |
"Life's a bitch.." Exxb, presumably you also consider Switzerland has "flipped the bird" by deciding not to join EU? Playing hardball on exit terms isn't surprising but shutting us off from a system to which we've made major financial and intellectual contributions is a different matter. Especially when it's done on risibly bogus "security" grounds. |
Originally Posted by ShotOne
(Post 10140939)
"Life's a bitch.." Exxb, presumably you also consider Switzerland has "flipped the bird" by deciding not to join EU? Playing hardball on exit terms isn't surprising but shutting us off from a system to which we've made major financial and intellectual contributions is a different matter. Especially when it's done on risibly bogus "security" grounds. Which one evokes the most for you ? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ol...=1525769017332 |
Nah. We'll revert to the strategy last time Britain 'stood alone', and take down all the signposts to confuse those nasty immigrants. :ok:
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
(Post 10140875)
We therefore await..... " UK goes it alone ! No more EU interference on our roads !. Sales of UK road maps set to soar ! " The problems here of course being the confusion, and total bewilderment, for Sun readers, 50 % of Excess readers, the other 50 % being confused as to why there were no apocalyptic weather warnings on every page (Torygraph readers, in keeping with their military affiliations, would simply delegate to a minion ) and Mail readers who would be confused as to why there were colours other than red, white and blue when attempting to read.......a map. |
Originally Posted by ShotOne
(Post 10140939)
[left]"Life's a bitch.." Exxb, presumably you also consider Switzerland has "flipped the bird" by deciding not to join EU?
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Originally Posted by Highway1
(Post 10141177)
It seems that the only person bewildered is you - Galileo isnt fully operational yet so even if it never came to the UK it would have no effect as we would continue to use GPS and GLONASS as we do now.
You misunderstand the purpose of Galileo. It is not to replace the basic service of GPS and Glonass which are perfectly adequate to guide you in your car. It was designed to provide very high precision location in three dimensions for engineering, construction and navigation. That is what we are in danger of losing. And although the last few satellites are still to be sent up, Galileo is already providing a full basic service. |
Originally Posted by Sallyann1234
(Post 10141284)
It seems that the bewilderment extends to yourself.
You misunderstand the purpose of Galileo. It is not to replace the basic service of GPS and Glonass which are perfectly adequate to guide you in your car. It was designed to provide very high precision location in three dimensions for engineering, construction and navigation. That is what we are in danger of losing. And although the last few satellites are still to be sent up, Galileo is already providing a full basic service. Keep it up.. :ok: |
Originally Posted by Highway1
(Post 10141438)
Well done - as I was replying to a comment about car navigation how you made the leap to engineering and construction was really impressive.
Keep it up.. :ok: Given your inability to grasp sardonic humour, not forgetting the inability to distinguish between a road map, like wot u buy n a buk shop an a tele screen wiv moovin piccies (and a nice female voice telling you that you've just missed the turn) .....it's no great surprise to read that, when offered a polite and expansive answer which clarified the reasons for the concerns, as well as other uses for GPS, this proved a shade too complex for your intellectual assimilation. |
I would hesitate to suggest you are wrong - but I would be nervous to use an engineering or construction product produced using Galileo as their primary location aid - the Galileo Open Services accuracy being 4m horizontally and 8m vertically. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10141941)
I would hesitate to suggest you are wrong - but I would be nervous to use an engineering or construction product produced using Galileo as their primary location aid - the Galileo Open Services accuracy being 4m horizontally and 8m vertically. That's what it is designed for. |
Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
(Post 10141893)
Oh dear....
Given your inability to grasp sardonic humour, not forgetting the inability to distinguish between a road map, like wot u buy n a buk shop an a tele screen wiv moovin piccies (and a nice female voice telling you that you've just missed the turn) .....it's no great surprise to read that, when offered a polite and expansive answer which clarified the reasons for the concerns, as well as other uses for GPS, this proved a shade too complex for your intellectual assimilation. So whether its construction or car navigation the effect on businesses in the UK will be zero. Perhaps that clears up some of your bewilderment. :ok: |
Having done a little research, the EU is going to provide their commercial service free of charge, to preempt the Chinese and Japanese are who are also going to do so. Which apparently has all the commercial companies which helped along the way on the basis they would have the rights to sell it in various industries throw their toys out of the cot... Note that the Japanese have their own GPS augmentation system - having your own is not necessary if you leverage off those already there - and as I have posted earlier, LEO augmentation based on systems such as Iridium are already proving just as accurate and at a fraction of the cost. The DG of the EU GNSS, by and by, states the accuracy will be 20cm (8”), presumably horizontally. http://insidegnss.com/fundamental-re...rcial-service/ |
What does not make sense is that the entire UK space industry is owned by EU companies, so a UK only alternative is really a non starter. |
Originally Posted by vapilot2004
(Post 10142615)
Aside from the proposed system, I thought the UK will remain a partner in ESA. It seems a bit odd that they would be forced to pay for Galileo access after having worked (and continuing support) on the programme.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8165841.html But it is to be hoped that we will be able to subscribe to the highest level of precision if only for individual projects. |
The more I hear about things like this, the more I imagine the leavers choosing the collective fate without having all the facts before them.
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