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GrantT 31st May 2003 01:44

"sorry if it seems pedantic, but should that not read

"none of them WAS injured " ?"


To put it simply, no.

lardy 31st May 2003 01:56

Sorry, GrantT but Jumbo Liar's right. "None" is a contraction of "not one" which is singular and thus takes "was" as opposed to the plural which would take "were". :8

GARDENER 31st May 2003 02:17

Carrying on with the english lesson now it has started.........Lardy I think you will find that although you are correct in what you stated the word WAS or WERE is with reference to"them" which is plural therefore correct answer is were.
I sh#t you not

Sigmund 31st May 2003 02:43

No, it's "was", as in "the crowd was..", "the chorus was..." etc. Sorry to be pedantic, but there it is!

GrantT 31st May 2003 03:21

"Was" is used in the case of one person (singular) ie. "I was listening to the radio"

"Were" is used for several people (plural) ie. "They were listening to the radio"

So "None of them were injured" is correct.

casual observer 31st May 2003 04:06

This is absolutely pathetic. I'm not a native English speaker, but I can tell you for certain it should be "was" not "were". The person who said it should be "were" because of the word "them" should go take a grammar refresher course. Do you say "one of them were"? I hope not! "One of them was" is right, so is "none of them was".

GrantT 31st May 2003 04:23

"Do you say "one of them were"? I hope not! "One of them was" is right

Well done, this is because you are referring to just one person so "was" is correct, in this context anyway. :rolleyes:

Sigmund 31st May 2003 04:26

Fellow pedants, rivetted by this absorbing subject I consulted Hutchinson's Dictionary of English Usage and find that I need to eat a bit of humble pie (but not the whole slice): " "None".......in a plural context, both a plural verb: "None of my friends were there" and a singular verb: "None of my friends was there" can be used. In general, a plural verb sounds more natural and unaffected, and is to be preferred."
Pathetic? Not at all, unless you think that words are meaningless anyway. You're not the UK Education Secretary, are you?

casual observer 31st May 2003 05:09

Sigmund:

Okay. I checked the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and it says "none" can be used in singular or plural construction. Nevertheless, when I said pathetic, I was mostly referring to the person who said it should be "were" because the subject was "them".

Anyway, in my mother tongue, we don't have to worry about plurals or singulars. It's so much easier. ;)

MinimumRest 31st May 2003 05:30

Ok.

Here in England we would say ''None of them were injured''

Over the pond there, you guys would say ''None of them was injured''.

Most people would take the view that the English version is correct, and call the other one an 'Americanisation'. Or should that be 'Americanization'?! :p

MR XxX

GrantT 31st May 2003 05:34

Whoa hold on there MR you may be called "pathetic" for using the incorrect past tense. :rolleyes:

Slim20 31st May 2003 05:54

Oh give up you lot!!!

We start off talking about a serious incident and the majority of the thread is a load of arguing about banal grammatic trivia!

Obviously pilots' CRM courses have been wildly successful in preventing this kind of puerile gainsaying and the "I'm right, I must have the last word" mentality.

BOAC 31st May 2003 15:43

Welcome to non-ATI, boys and girls! One of the moderators elsewhere must have thought this thread were suitable for this forum:p

Mac the Knife 31st May 2003 19:26

Gosh! Never been here before...

What a wierd place....!

Voice sort of echoes around, doesn't it?

Hallo!

.hallo..

..allo..

...lo...

....o...

Do you think anyone else from PPRuNe have ever been here?

Doesn't look like it!

But wait! There'sa sweet-paper over there!

And another!

They look like those things Draper sucks!

Lets follow them!

Careful not to fall in the grammatical chasm!

I wont!

You mean "I won't"

I mean "We won't"

aaaAAAArrrggggghhhhh!

Synthetic 1st Jun 2003 05:14

Is this the 5 minute argument, or the full half hour?:p

Was is correct



Whoa hold on there MR you may be called "pathetic" for using the incorrect past tense
Now would that be the imperfect, perfect or plu-perfect tense?:ouch:

BOAC 1st Jun 2003 06:32

Well! You two seem to have picked up the idea pretty quickly.

BOAC
Sweetie-paper picker-upper


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