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clareprop 30th Jan 2021 07:48

This would appear to shed some light on possible issues:


Reuters: JANUARY 30, 20215:13 AM UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
Musk's SpaceX violated its launch license in explosive Starship test: the Verge

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN29Z06R

Nige321 30th Jan 2021 09:08


Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 10979349)
If some are to be believed it's somewhat important paperwork and the pace of the investigation into the previous "mishap"....I'd have thought "Range Safety"/safety of those on the ground was paramount, regardless of whether you are launching from a government facility in Florida or a back yard in Texas so it would be interesting to hear what has really gone on.

Elon Musk may well have a valid point but I hope this isn't a case of "we're private sector, I'm an entrepreneur, we don't need no pesky licence"?

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...-and-starship/
https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/29/2...tion-elon-musk

While Musk has a long standing and well known dislike of the FAA (and the SEC...), I think you'll find that SpaceX tends to stick to the laid down rules...

wiggy 30th Jan 2021 10:21


Originally Posted by Nige321 (Post 10979431)
While Musk has a long standing and well known dislike of the FAA ...

How does it go? "we are from the FAA, we are here to help you"............ (replace FAA by SEC/CAA/DGAC) where appropriate....



tdracer 30th Jan 2021 20:35

There are some well placed, knowledgeable people in the rocket business that think the FAA's and NASA's handling of manned spaceflight is making things less safe, not more.
One guy even wrote a book on it (I have a copy of it around here somewhere - unfortunately I can't remember the name right now - if I do I'll link it).

wiggy 30th Jan 2021 23:58


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 10979878)
There are some well placed, knowledgeable people in the rocket business that think the FAA's and NASA's handling of manned spaceflight is making things less safe, not more.
One guy even wrote a book on it (I have a copy of it around here somewhere - unfortunately I can't remember the name right now - if I do I'll link it).

Please do, I'd appreciate it..

ATB.

IFMU 31st Jan 2021 01:01


Originally Posted by clareprop (Post 10979374)
This would appear to shed some light on possible issues:




https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN29Z06R

It doesn't really say what exactly was violated. I'm curious.

tdracer 31st Jan 2021 01:59


Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 10979984)
Please do, I'd appreciate it..

ATB.

I found it - "Safe is not an Option" by Rand Simberg

wiggy 31st Jan 2021 07:35


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 10980013)
I found it - "Safe is not an Option" by Rand Simberg
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0...2?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks for that. I'm currently spending some of our lockdown wading through some Saturn V mission reports I found on line (got to pass the time somehow :}) but have put the book in the "panier" for a future order.:ok:

clareprop 31st Jan 2021 08:55


It doesn't really say what exactly was violated.
No, it doesn't and the original article (below) refers to that. Whatever it was it would appear the FAA were not best pleased.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/29/2...tion-elon-musk

ORAC 31st Jan 2021 09:25


Imagegear 31st Jan 2021 16:12

Kind 'a like "I'm from Brussels and I'm here to help".. :eek:

IG

jetcollie 1st Feb 2021 14:12

Next Starship SN9 Launch Window
 
FAA has released a TFR: TFR Feb 2

RVF750 1st Feb 2021 15:00

Excellent, 2 SpaceX flights tomorrow then.

TURIN 1st Feb 2021 15:49

I think the Starlink Falcon9 launch has been pushed back to 3rd Feb due to choppy seas in the recovery area.

turbidus 1st Feb 2021 16:19

3.2m waves @ 7 seconds in Starlink target zone....

Brownsville TFR's in place
01/31/2021 1/9222 ZHU TX SPACE OPERATIONS BROWNSVILLE, TX, Wednesday, February 03, 2021 UTC https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr_map_ims/html/images/zoom.gif
01/31/2021 1/9223 ZHU TX SPACE OPERATIONS BROWNSVILLE, TX, Thursday, February 04, 2021 UTC https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr_map_ims/html/images/zoom.gif
01/31/2021 1/9224 ZHU TX SPACE OPERATIONS BROWNSVILLE, TX, Tuesday, February 02, 2021 UTC https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr_map_ims/html/images/zoom.gif
01/31/2021 1/9221 ZHU TX SPACE OPERATIONS BROWNSVILLE, TX, Monday, February 01, 2021 through Thursday, February 04, 2021 UTC
12/31/2020 0/0024 ZHU TX SPACE OPERATIONS BROWNSVILLE, TX, Thursday, December 31, 2020 through Sunday, February 28, 2021 UTC

kit344 2nd Feb 2021 01:47

This 15 minute video seems to sum up the majority of the current issues.
The article in The Verge from a few days ago doesn't really quote any actual sources, and is mostly informed speculation.

kit344 2nd Feb 2021 10:41


​​​​​​Elon Musk's private jet flew in to Brownsville overnight from Hawthorne.

The village has received an evacuation notice for today.


URLs are not showing up !

@elonjet and @bocachicagirl on Twitter for sources.

kit344 2nd Feb 2021 10:59


FAA licence is reported to be GRANTED !

NSF live stream starts at 1300 UTC, Launch window opens at 1500 UTC


kit344 2nd Feb 2021 18:22

Probably around 30 -40 minutes to T0

cavuman1 2nd Feb 2021 19:39

Breath-taking flight, but rocket lost ~10 seconds pre-touchdown when second raptor engine suffered ignition failure. Despite an "inadvertent disassembly", much was learned I am sure.

- Ed


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