Doc on 'Kursk' sub UK TV BBC2 9PM BST
 

Hi all!

Rememeber the v long PPRuNe post from last year about this disaster.

Just wanted to let y'all know that the above doc is about to be shown.

Only just found out, so calm down at the back! :D :D

Will post after to say if doc was pukka/pants.

Hmmmm......

Interesting theory..

"Russian Torpedoes use Hydrogen Peroxide (HTP) as oxidser for engines. Someone must have started engine while torpedo in tube therefor over-rev, causing HTP pipe to burst. HTP reacts with metals creating hugh amounts of Ox - torpedo bursts, causes massive fires in Torpedo bay. All Torpedoes go off, sub sinks"

But sub won't be raised so no evidence!!! :rolleyes:

Also, no evidence of premature engine start. Sure, this happened on RN sub in 1955 - but now systems to prevent this...???

Russians claimed US sub collided and showed satelite photo - but V indistinct! Certainly, a collision gets the admirals off the hook.......

5/10 - only a theory until sub is raised!!


Good computer graphics though!! :D :D :D

I wonder why the Russians will go enormous lengths to get the sub out of the water BUT not the front part, which is where all the action happened and as Swash noted, holds all the evidence!!

Something to do with dead bodies?

I presume it's because the International community are applying pressure to make them raise those reactors...I think they're even paying for it.
The front end is a mangled wreck by the look of it. It has no value to the West, and the Rooskies probably can't afford to lift it just for a 'look see'.

The documentary was good though. When they proposed the US sub collision theory I just started chuckling to myself at the new threads we'd be seeing on Jetblast.
Spy Plane mark 2.

TVA
Probably because the Russians don't want the US Navy "treasure hunters" scooping up their secrets, especially cripto algorithms.

The U.S. had previously been at Russian sub graves. The Russians also are missing a few of their satellites, scooped up by classified Space Shuttle missions.

:p

True - but not with much luck. They tried to raise K-129, a Golf-class diesel boat in project Jennifer, but it broke apart.

Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

Try reading a book namd Blind Mans Bluff and you will see that the US Subs have been up to all things nasty???

If this thing splits in the wrong places will it leak radiation and other nuke stuff into the North Sea? Oil companies will have to splash out on buying not only immersion suits, but anti-radiation outfits too. And yeah, why isnt the nose section being raised if it wasnt a torpedo accident.

Kermie :confused:

Barents sea, not North sea, and it shouldn't leak crud unless there are further explosions. The reactors aren't going to leak unless ruptured, and they would have detected radiation if that had happened in the original explosion that sank the Kursk.

The nose isn't getting raised because it is full of things that might go bang. Better to keep them on the sea bed.

Evo:

On the doc it certainly looked like all the 'things' had gone bang!!!!

But obvioulsy, they'd have to check for UXBs....

Certainly some have gone bang - I don't think that's disputed. Well, there are a few who believe that a Trafalgar or Los Angeles SSN could collide with and sink a much larger Oscar II SSGN and then quietly sail away unharmed, I guess. The question is, has everything gone bang? The need to remove the front section before raising the Kursk means that those in charge think that it is a risk.

The Oscar II's can also carry a bunch of anti-ship cruise missiles. SS-N-19 "Shipwreck"'s IIRC. Not sure what they are going to do about those. Nasty things - scare the hell out of the navy.

Kermit - take a look at www.bellona.no for some good environmental stuff, if you are interested. Pretty balanced for an environmental group too.

Why dont they just use the Big ship (Glomar Explorer?) the CIA used, as previously mentioned to raise a "Golf" Class diesel boat? After all, from what i've heard its just been sitting in a Dry dock for ages

Keep in mind that what is leaked to the Press or what is otherwise given for public consumption is part of a bigger story. In the National Archives at Washington D.C. there still is WWII stuff that has yet to be unclassified!

If a civilian like Ballard can find and get stuff out of the Titanic, think what the U.S. Navy with unlimited funds can do and get from the bottom of any ocean.


:cool:

Barent Sea, North Sea, same thing if that lot goes up.

Kermie :eek:

Lot of nice conspriracy theory items coming up, particularly regarding Glomar Explorer. This was not a recovery vessel, it was a deep drilling rig which just happened to be ideal as a base for the real recovery vessel, which was a submerged barge. This vessel (if it still exists) is too small (Oscar 15000 t, Golf 3000t and it couldn't lift all of that) and not needed as Kursk is shallow enough (and public enough) to be recovered by conventional means. The main reason for cutting the bow off is that it is unstable and if they try and lift it bits are liable to break off, wrecking their CG calculations and likely sinking the whole thing again. It is unlikely that any evidence of what caused the original explosion would be found, any evidence being destroyed by the second explosion and a years exposure to sea water. After the british torpedo accident it was decided that HTP was too dangerous for torpedo use, although I doubt that we told the Russians. No russian satellites have been caught by shuttles because the shuttle cannot get high enough, and even if the USAF had considered it, they would have rejected it as too dangerous to try and recover an unknown satellite probably containing volatile fuels, they had enough problems recovering their own failed satellites. There have been many classified military shuttle (STS)flights but these are mainly concerned with launching satellites.

Having spoken to many ordinary Russians - they all believe that the Navy is hiding something and always have been...and always will...

They are all very bitter about the delay in calling in the overseas assistance especially as there is now no doubt that around 20 men were alive in the sub for those ominous 3 days when the noises were heard...

Sounds like Russian 'pride' or even the Navy trying to hide something, got in the way. I would think those ordinary Russians would see it as inexcusable that their leaders were preapred to let those sailors die. That Putin fella looks funny too, like a young Hitler minus the moustache.

Kermie http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/hitler.gif

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Mycroft:
According to declassified info mentioned in the Press and also in the book "Blind Man's Bluff," the Glomar Explorer was built by Hughes under CIA contract for the explicit purpose of digging up the Russian Sub. The project, it was said, was desguised as a mobile deep drilling rig for public consumption.

If you had carefully read "between the lines" of Aviation Week & Space Technology over the past 20 years, you would have some clues about secret payload shuttle missions.

Cheers :cool: