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Unwell_Raptor 11th Oct 2007 06:48

No judge or magistrate in England and Wales uses a gavel in court - ever!
That's the Americans, you see.

mfaff 11th Oct 2007 08:41

Well done FL.

Very impressive for sure. I hope you can retain your clarity of thought, expression and overall sanity in your new role.

All the best.

CRAN 11th Oct 2007 09:10

Well Done
 
Many Congratualtions Tudor,
All the Best,
CRAN
:ok:

GrumpyOldFart 11th Oct 2007 09:27

Look at them all, kissing up to hizzoner! Just in case, I suppose.

Case - geddit? Oh, never mind.


And spare a thought for how lonely poor bjcc is going to be now.



Seriously, though - Congratulations, FL!

:ok:

scruggs 11th Oct 2007 09:29

Nice one Tudor - many congratulations :ok:

Cheers

S

John Eacott 11th Oct 2007 10:13

Congratulations, Tudor :ok:

Taildragger67 11th Oct 2007 10:21

Well done, HH Judge Owen I look forward to reading your judgments. :ok:

Rat 5,

You raise a good and valid point, but FL has been known to - and his achievements much admired by - the PPRuNe community for some years now.

Sleeve Wing 11th Oct 2007 11:49

HHJ Flying Lawyer
 
Heartiest congratulations, Tudor.
How choice to have a man of conviction (!) and common sense on the Bench.
Very well deserved.

......................but what do we half-wits do now if we need a hand ?
As suggested, new callsign ? :ok:

FLI 11th Oct 2007 12:04

Tudor, very many congratulations on your well earned appointment.

We really are honoured to have you amongst the Rotorheads community

I know that you will keep your keen humour and sense of fair play when you are Sitting. Just go easy on the barristers!

FLI

Slopey 11th Oct 2007 12:08

< doffs cap respectfully

:D

PilotsPal 11th Oct 2007 12:33

Snaresbrook is, I believe, the largest court complex in the country, dealing with everything from naughty little toerags to some of the most dangerous people in the country. I've done jury service there three times and thoroughly enjoyed the two or three week escape from work on each occasion. I reckon I'm about due for another summons and will certainly make an effort to see our old friend ensconced on the bench.

VeeAny 11th Oct 2007 12:52

Tudor

Congratulations on your appointment.

Gary

rotorboater 11th Oct 2007 12:56

Congratulations Tudor, well done.

Are you still able to do defence work as well?
(Hopefully never need your services though!)

MarkD 11th Oct 2007 13:04

Who's going to keep the Campaign Against Aviation honest now?

A Magistrate writes about His Honour's appointment:

He is a long way from the judicial stereotype, being a qualified pilot of helicopters and fixed wing aircraft and an expert aviation lawyer. He has regularly come out on top in courtroom tussles with the Civil Aviation Authority. Last time I heard, he had a part share in a WW2 aeroplane and a Gazelle helicopter, but if he has to live on his salary, they may have to go! He is also a devotee of fast cars and fast driving - the latter may also have to go.

SASless 11th Oct 2007 13:17

As we wander through life, we sometimes run into a person that makes the trip a bit more enjoyable. Our man FL is just one of those rare folks that stand out amongst the crowd. I consider it an honour to have been allowed to know him and have the distinct pleasure to have shared a cockpit with him.....my last helicopter flight actually.

All the best in his new endeavour...."it's your Honor" now.:D:D

DozyWannabe 11th Oct 2007 18:08

I've never been part of a discussion that you have sir, but every post I've seen of yours I've regarded somewhere between respect and awe.

Cap doffed.

Ripline 11th Oct 2007 20:32

Lemming-like, I hasten to add my congratulations to all of those above. Every now and again the Establishment does something of which all right-thinking citizens can heartily approve!

I only met you once and sat enthralled by your gentle lecture that expanded our understanding of the Law and the CAA......

Best Wishes, Your Honour. I fear that the nom-de-plume Flying Lawyer will not grace this forum again and I understand why this might be so, but we will be the poorer for it, and I thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience with us.

Soft Landings!

Ripline

Wedge 11th Oct 2007 21:09

Congratulations Flying Lawyer
 

JUDICIAL APPOINTMENT

HM The Queen has appointed Tudor Wyn Owen to be a Circuit Judge on the advice of the Lord Chancellor.

The Lord Chief Justice has assigned him to the South Eastern Circuit, based in Snaresbrook Crown Court London with effect from Monday 29 October 2007.

His Honour Judge Owen is 56. He was called to the Bar in 1974. He was appointed as a Recorder on the South Eastern Circuit in 1991.
Great news, but now that he is a fully fledged Judge he will be subject to the scrutiny of the press and the public gaze; and the heavy duties and responsibilites of his new job mean that sadly for us we will no longer have the benefit of his eloquent and learned posts here in JB.

You'll be missed around here, Tudor. Well done again and best of luck in your new appointment. :ok:

Granite Monolith 11th Oct 2007 21:18

Pfft!

Already we're all mere mortals - hasn't even bothered to acknowledge this thread, has the new Judge. Looking down on us all, he is!


:}

3top 11th Oct 2007 21:37

THE FLYING JUDGE

...doesn't that sound good!

NO copyrights attached - go for it!

3top:cool:

kevmusic 11th Oct 2007 22:30

I have read and learned from your many sage and learned posts, and am now toasting your success. Sober as a lord, my judge! :} :)

Kev.

con-pilot 12th Oct 2007 01:07


Great news, but now that he is a fully fledged Judge he will be subject to the scrutiny of the press and the public gaze; and the heavy duties and responsibilities of his new job mean that sadly for us we will no longer have the benefit of his eloquent and learned posts here in JB.

You'll be missed around here, Tudor. Well done again and best of luck in your new appointment
What, no tea or coffee breaks? If true about your soon absence thank you for all of your insightful posts and the calm voice of reason in this non-intellectual vast waste land known as Jet Blast. :ok:

Bahn-Jeaux 12th Oct 2007 06:59


doffs cap respectfully
and respectfully tugs at forelock whilst bowing and scraping.

Congratulations.

Flying Lawyer 12th Oct 2007 07:09

Granite Monolith
By coincidence, someone accused me of ‘looking down’ on him only a few weeks ago – a defendant with a long history of mental health problems facing trial for murder. He added, as he dispensed with my services, that I was useless – which some might say showed that his mental health problems weren’t quite as severe as the medics thought. (He was, in due course, convicted of murder.)
I see you haven't posted much. I hope in time you enjoy PPRuNe as much as I have.


Thank you all so much for your (far too) generous comments; they’ve meant a lot to me.
After two years flying Chipmunks in the University of London Air Squadron (when the picture posted by BEagle was taken), it was a difficult choice between continuing with my original plans and applying to the RAF. Although I've loved my time at the Bar, I think I would have been just as happy as a professional pilot. Luckily, my aviation practice has enabled me to combine both interests - although I can't help notice that friends who went the RAF-BA route have either recently retired on handsome pensions or will do so in the next few years so maybe I made the wrong choice. ;)

Being sacked by that defendant deprived me of finishing my career at the Bar with one final murder trial, and meant a case I did in a magistrates court the previous week turned out to be my last. However, for various reasons, I wasn’t disappointed by that. It brought back memories of cutting my teeth around the mags courts more than 30 years ago - a challenging experience for young counsel learning how to defend - and, best of all, we demolished the prosecution witnesses' allegations, won the case and were awarded costs. The thrill was as great as winning my very first case all those years ago - and with the added satisfaction that the client was a professional pilot accused of low flying (in a Hunter). I’m going to miss cross-examining witnesses.
Sir George Cayley (post #11), obviously knows about the case - and that I had a very enjoyable 45 minutes in the Hunter a few weeks later. :)

I’ve learnt a great deal from PPRuNe over the years which has not only helped my learn more about flying but, on occasions, helped me in aviation litigation cases. I’ve always found professional pilots to be extremely generous with their time when I’ve wanted help, and if I’ve managed to put something back into the pot in legal threads, it's only a small contribution compared with what I've been given.

Sadly, one of the consequences of the new job is that I won’t be able to post about legal matters again. I’ve enjoyed taking part in PPRuNe, and I’m going to miss it.

Thanks again for your very kind comments.


FL

kemblejet01 12th Oct 2007 07:16

well done that man
 
An honour to know you FL.

Is it true that you have NEVER lost to the CAA?

KMB01

Howard Hughes 12th Oct 2007 07:50

He may not be able to post, but I bet he'll be lurking!;)

Congratulations, thank you for your wisdom over the years and I wish you all the best.:ok:

WeatherJinx 12th Oct 2007 08:11

Congratulations FL - well deserved.

Vankem Spankfaart 12th Oct 2007 08:30

FL,

It's a shame that you'll no longer be able to post about legal matters - to people like me (non legal) your clear interpretation of the points of law, regardless of whether you agree with them, has been enlightening.

Hopefully, you'll still be able to contribute, and have some fun, but under the "Flying Judge" moniker.

Good luck.

V

pitot212 12th Oct 2007 08:37

Very Well Done
 
Very well done Tudor, fantastic achievement.

Best regards,

Bill

Brilliant Stuff 12th Oct 2007 11:45

You learn something new every day.

Well Done Tudor!!!!:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:
Congratulations!!!!:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

LowNSlow 12th Oct 2007 12:34

Many congratulations Tudor, at least you get to spend your time in Court sitting down now. :ok::ok:

Davaar 12th Oct 2007 12:50

Transatlantic congratulations.

Graviman 12th Oct 2007 13:15

Congratulations, Flying Lawyer! Albeit more modest achievement, i just got my quantum physiscs exam out of the way. Nearly a certified physicist, as well as chartered engineer.

brickhistory 12th Oct 2007 13:25

Well, I guess if one is going to be 'outed' on Jet Blast, this type of announcement beats many other scenarios....................






Well done, sir!

Binoculars 12th Oct 2007 13:31

Not the first time I have thanked FL online, but his unsolicited, wise and free counsel to me at a time of anguish will not be forgotten.

Congratulations, sir.

moosp 12th Oct 2007 14:22

A well deserved elevation for one whose objectivity and dogged research has done so much to support aviation law in the United Kingdom, against those who would use it for their political advancement.

On a personal note, make it a goal to fly as many different helicopters as you can. It's a tip I got from pprune and it is amazingly accurate in its perception of the wealth of knowledge and skills that you will gain from each type.

Rotorbee 12th Oct 2007 14:33

Ok, congrats .... but could somebody please enlighten me, how the English system works and how becoming a judge is such big step in a lawyers career?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

tigerbatics 12th Oct 2007 17:14

Many congratulations Tudor. We have done the odd case together over the years and flown together at Redhill many years ago.

I hope you enjoy your new appointment and would only add that when you say you will miss cross-examining witnesses I'm sure that is right. Just make sure you do!

Thud_and_Blunder 12th Oct 2007 18:06

Rotorbee,

The best, and arguably the most enjoyable, way to answer your question would be to recommend that you read John Mortimer's "Rumpole of the Bailey" stories. You'd also learn where most of us who use it picked up the phrase "She Who Must Be Obeyed" - ie not from the original H Rider Haggard.

Colonal Mustard 12th Oct 2007 19:06

Congrats Mr Owen

We`ll meet in your court some day soon i`m sure, (and i`ll be on the correct side of the room)


CM:ok:


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