Vietravel Airlines
 

Brookfield is looking for A320 crew for Vietravel. Any thoughts? Methinks t&c-s are similar to covid19 terms of VNA, Vietjet and Bamboo...however as far as i know the country is still closed for foreigners. CAAV pilots who are in Vietnam at the moment might have a chance.

I called the agency

They are asking 10.000USD to "make all the papers you need " to go to Vietnam...

Salary 2000 USD for CPTs basic with 50 hours, then 30 USD per Hour and day worked

No pay till release as Captain

Quarantine at your own cost, plus training time at your own, no contract till release...

Yes..

But others are doing the same

Bamboo is doing the same, money in advance to enter Vietnam....

Oh dear that doesn't sound too good :uhoh: Do these costs only apply to expat pilots? Would like to know how a Vietnamese citizen could pay this up.

• Remuneration: Negotiable directly with the airline as per experience level ...
  
• Positioning flight + Visa: Pilots will be responsible at their own cost.

Then you can make your own perspective.....

The Vietnamese border is closed to foreigners. So how is $10,000 going to change that?

Everything about Vietnam is corrupt and dysfunctional. It's a 3rd world country; that's just how they roll.

You hand over 10K to a Vietnamese, good luck ever getting it back if things don't work out.

Cheating foreigners is the national sport in Vietnam.

Are you referring to the Vietjet P2F pilots taking selfies of themselves stuck outside of Vietnam? They're sitting at home waiting for Vietjet to drop the axe on them...

Friend of friend was told to can join the end of November, must to pay 22-25,000 USD for some “Admins fee”.

Perfect. Really tempting

They seem to love approving every rich guy's airline in Vietnam. SGN and HAN already operate at max capacity. Bamboo is alredy in shambles but some other bozo thinks they can do a better job?

There’s still jobs? Bugger I’ve been driving an Argos van since September...

Are you referring to BAA? They were linked to ATrans to deliver P2F pilots to Vietjet, among other agencies and individuals who had the right "connections" with people inside the Vietjet training department (wink wink hush hush... here's your share of the "black money").

The problem is due to Covid foreigners cannot enter Vietnam... the border is sealed shut... and foreigners probably won't be allowed into Vietnam until late next year or later until the Virus is totally under control, even with a Vaccine. Vietnam is paranoid about Covid. They evacuated all foreigners from Da Nang over like a single reported case of Covid a few months ago... That was extreme.

From what I read, the focus now is on getting local Vietnamese cadets into the system since they're already in country and don't have the border problem, and because locals are generally preferred over foreigners.

Can't post the URL but there's another thread here about BAA. Just google 'BAA Training Vietnam Scam Pay To Fly'

Can confirm. I contacted them and gave them a call. IIRC Vietjet was 75k USD and Bamboo was 85k USD. Have to pay for your own line training too. Asked them about the career opportunities afterwards. They said they can speak to their connections within the airlines and get you a job. Surely this price is for foreigners because there's no way an ordinary Vietnamese Cadet could ever pay that amount?

The total cost for Vietjet is around $200,000 USD for foreigners. It could be less if you went to a CAAV approved flying school for your CPL and IR.

The current batch of VJ cadets who bought their way in in late 2019 are still sitting at home due to the border closures. I would imagine the stress and anxiety for them must be overwhelming with all that money on the line... money they could very easily never get back if VJ decides to pull the plug.

Well said!
Couldn't agree more

The vj price has increased a lot since the beginning, they used to charge 18K back in 2013/2014, a bargain!!! 😏😏😏

The greed really set in at Vietjet. There are a group of internal workers in the training department and their "friends" who act as intermediaries (basically "agents" in a way) who are getting quite wealthy off this P2F program.

Even the CAAV (the government aviation ministry) is getting their fingers in on the action with the money they want from foreign pilots to get their school "approved". It's a cute way of essentially strong arming $20,000 out of wannabee cadet pilots.

What amazes me is that the owner of VJ allows this to go on.

She doesn't personally profit much off it, and yet she's basically allowing institutionalized corruption to occur in her organization.

Maybe it's different in Vietnam, but corruption is generally considered to be a bad thing because it exposes your company to liabilities and risk, not to mention it just makes you look bad.

They have to put the local cadets flying soon to avoid another suicide, Filipino cadet jumped from a building, poor boy full of expectations and debts!

As sorry as i feel for the above mentioned cadet my opinion is that there is no place in aviation for people with suicidal tendencies. Proper psychological testing/checking is a must for current and to be pilots as we are talking of potentially hundreds of lives at stake if people with mental illnesses are allowed anywhere near an aircraft. Job losses due to covid19 or whatever, debts, etc. are simply no excuse.

Easy for you to say if you have not lost your job yet.

He could easily have been in debt $150,000 to $200,000 USD, and every month the interest compounds.

For an average Filipino, that is an absolutely earth shattering sum of money.

A "good" job in Manila pays around $500 a month to give you some perspective.

Guys, before calling me names and letting all your frustrations out on me: i have never said that people with psychological issues shouldn't seek help nor that they don't belong to a flightdeck once they have dealt with their issues after seeking professional help. I just simply said that people with current suicidal tendencies shouldn't be allowed near an aircraft. Period. Or none of you care about the mental state of your fellow colleagues here or the crew when your loved ones flying in the back?! That would be insane now, wouldn't it?

853 lives lost due to pilot suicide excluding wartime.

i am thinking of applying to vietravel.
anybody have the hr email?
and whats the t&c for rated FO?

The terms are, transfer us 22.000 USD, and you got the job.
At least that’s what was offered to me couple days ago.

That's a strange way to operate, you give us a load of money and we'll employ you. Mind you I guess this practice crept in years ago with pay to fly etc.