They’re not. plenty still on LWOP.

Honestly i think it will recover here end of 21 to a good level. IATA is talking worldwide, not asia specific.

Everyone in the airline, my colleagues, have taken a pay cut to help the airline survive the crisis.

If you think it isn’t necessary for pilots like you, good luck with that attitude. Personally I would not want to work for my original salary while everyone else in the company is suffering. I am no narcissist.

As I said before, payroll is a big element of an airlines costs, despite what Nichol thinks from his book, Flight deck are only part of a joint workforce. And a team response to help the airline survive is required.

Management have said a pay raise is on the way. I suspect it will improve multiple times over the next couple of years. Presently I trust them to guide us through it. Something the pilot action group did not.

I did feel a bit of sympathy for your predicament by signing up for the pilot action group, but if your opinion is I am a cheap prossie, then good luck with your future and don’t come back here. You are no colleague of mine.

My personal circumstances are my own business.

VN have a very low basic in case there is a further outbreak and the fleet is locked down again. It saves laying everyone off and is a good policy.

Stop going on about it. Captains are on 2 to 3 grand, DPEs 4 to 5. Sorry its not enough to privately educate your children. Maybe you should have downsized before terminating your career by accepting the terms and then joining a group to take on management.

They fire all the pilotos outside Vietnam who cannot return ?

None from any of the airlines, a few contracts have not been renewed which expired but on the whole everyone remain on unpaid leave indefinitely

Basic salary just upgraded for A350 captains from 400 to 800USD

The ones going on 2-3k are doing 15 days and more on quarantine every time they fly international: 1 intl, quarantine, then call back from quarantine for another intl flight, ending up to almost a month with no life, no decent compensation ($20/day) in a ****ty hotel. At some point you need to consider minimum self-respect.

Basic is irrelevant. Its the productivity related payments that are more important.

Unfortunately for a 350 driver, this means cargo flights and quarantine. If you refuse, you get a bit of domestic, low pay, and sit by the pool all day.

The new salary package is a considerable improvement over the old one, and another review in December. Low basic and good productivity pay is the best course of action for VNA. Plenty of wide body guys have refused cargo so why pay a high basic?

For the guys who volunteered to work for free, the current package must seem like a fortune.

As with all these things, you do have choices. Noone is twisting your arms here.

Not really: If you refuse, you stay on unpaid leave

Sure. That too. To be honest why be paid but refuse to fly?

Take the job or don’t. It was your choice to fly the 350.

Unfortunately the job spec has changed somewhat.

You can always ask to go back to the 321.

the contract you signed didn’t mention a salary less than that of an uber driver. No matter which type you are on, they are squeezing you. Helping out the company is one thing. Prostituting yourself is something else.

Sure. Then go on unpaid leave and try to come back in 6 months.

You don’t know what I signed, or what i earn so don’t presume anything. I am flying 90 hours a month and if you think I am happy to do this while you lounge by the pool on 1 hanoi turn a week whilst refusing to do cargo, you are wrong. You can find sympathy in the dictionary, not here.

The current contract amendment is optional. You don’t have to agree to it.

You have options.

But taking it then crying in your beer is a bit demeaning to be honest.

Maybe go home and drive an UBER.

Only celebrity Uber can make good money take time to build the followers

The way this industry is going you'll make more money being an uber driver, better job stability too....

So IA, how much do you make a month?

One sure thing is, having some selfish individuals accepting to prostitute themselves for whatever condition does not help the profession. They probably have a good laugh everyday in VNA office looking at those expats paid like **** going for quarantines in ****ty hotels with a big smile!

I'll keep the beer next to the pool and my pants on! Cheers 🍻

You can bet, but tbh, it has been the case since almost day 1 expat arrived there.

how much do you earn?

i spend most days by the pool. Don’t do cargo, or quarantine.

Life is ok. Just need the commuting back, hopefully next year maybe.

Don’t quite get your idea that working is somehow selfish. I would like to see VNA survive for the future. All staff at VN have had a salary reduction, surely a selfish attitude would be to expect pilots salary to be maintained while everyone else suffered.

Much as I don’t want to cast doubt on your English language ability, I should draw your attention to the definition of prostitute.
prostitute something/yourself(disapproving)to use your skills, abilities, etc. to do something that earns you money but that other people do not respect because you are capable of doing something better.

So to take it further, if you see being an UBER driver or pool ligger as an occupation that is better than an airline pilot, then your analogy is correct. My view is different to yours but its a free world.

Your current view of your work colleagues who are supporting their families and the airline in trying times, and your view that management is somehow taking perverse pleasure in the current pandemic conditions is, sadly an indication of some kind of narcissist issue. The terms are there. If they are not acceptable to you then just turn them down until the current crisis is over.

As far as management goes, its not a job I would want, so I can only respect what they do and hope they get us through to better times. I don’t want their job, and so respect all that they do.

Sitting on the fence and abusing people. Thats a great attitude.