Hainan Airlines
I have noticed the banner on here advertising Hainan Airlines based anywhere they fly into and 305K net a year. I’m a UK based A320 skipper with a family and this seems almost too good to be true. I have researched on here Chinese airlines and culture (one potential stopper for me is I don’t think I could stand cigarette smoke in the flight deck if this still goes on?) and looked st the very limited info on Hainan. Can anybody advise me the latest please?
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Originally Posted by Captain Spam Can
(Post 10190127)
I have noticed the banner on here advertising Hainan Airlines based anywhere they fly into and 305K net a year. I’m a UK based A320 skipper with a family and this seems almost too good to be true. I have researched on here Chinese airlines and culture (one potential stopper for me is I don’t think I could stand cigarette smoke in the flight deck if this still goes on?) and looked st the very limited info on Hainan. Can anybody advise me the latest please?
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Originally Posted by Captain Spam Can
(Post 10190127)
I have researched on here Chinese airlines and culture (one potential stopper for me is I don’t think I could stand cigarette smoke in the flight deck if this still goes on?)
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Anyone has more info regarding the terms and conditions at HAINAN? Do they have commuting contracts? |
Thanks for the info, their doesn’t seem to be too much recent feedback on working for Hainan or selection. Also any british expats out there how does tax work as it says Chinese tax is paid but does the british HMRC still come after some as it would be 50% with those sums which then makes it not worthwhile. |
Originally Posted by g109
(Post 10191474)
Anyone has more info regarding the terms and conditions at HAINAN? Do they have commuting contracts? |
Looks like more evidence all is not well at HNA...
https://www.ft.com/content/bcedf80c-...d-73e3d454535d |
For UK residents working in China; you can offset the tax paid in China, but will still have a 30+% liability for HMRC.
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Originally Posted by chinafly
(Post 10196133)
For UK residents working in China; you can offset the tax paid in China, but will still have a 30+% liability for HMRC.
If you aren't and are paying tax at source of employment I'm led to believe that no tax is due in the UK |
I suppose it would depend where you are resident . If you are a UK resident, as defined in the RDR3 doc https://www.gov.uk/government/public...dence-test-srt then you would have to declare your worldwide income to HMRC and pay any difference. I can only assume that historically people may well have forgotten to declare, however, since Jan 2016, China and the UK/EU have automatic information sharing and I would suggest not declaring it to HMRC could lead to a world of hurt in the future. Same would go for those resident in the EU, unless you were on a scheme something along the lines as Portugal’s NHR scheme. |
Originally Posted by hunterboy
(Post 10198854)
I suppose it would depend where you are resident . If you are a UK resident, as defined in the RDR3 doc https://www.gov.uk/government/public...dence-test-srt then you would have to declare your worldwide income to HMRC and pay any difference. I can only assume that historically people may well have forgotten to declare, however, since Jan 2016, China and the UK/EU have automatic information sharing and I would suggest not declaring it to HMRC could lead to a world of hurt in the future. Same would go for those resident in the EU, unless you were on a scheme something along the lines as Portugal’s NHR scheme. If declaring China as residency for a 3 yr contract, tax is paid, you notify HMRC that you are no longer a UK tax resident and prove so via the new test system then there is no tax payable to HMRC on your return. |
Thanks for the info, it’s a shame the pay isn’t net including UK taxes, I wouldn’t be resident in China. Any comparisons lately between Hainan and China southern? I see they do a reserve roster out of LHR. |
Yes but the tax thing goes for all of these commuting contracts. Obviously if you’re commuting then you’re liable for taxes in your country, there’s no way around it. Unless you move your residency and spend less than 180 days etc but still, if you have a family back in Europe then good luck proving you’ not liable. I’d say it’s worth it for someone looking for a family adventure and to get out of Europe, or if you have a brilliant plan with 3/4 residencies around the world to suit the purporse. Otherwise to be honest I don’t see the advantage considering half the salary (in dollars) will go to the taxman. |
You have to remember that to qualify for non residence tax status you have to be out of the UK for the whole tax year apart from your 180 days allowance. If you go or come back within the tax year you are liable for that year's taxes.
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Dual Taxation Agreement
As I understand it, UK and PRC have a dual taxation agreement in place. Assuming your employer in China pays ALL your taxes, as they promise to, and a certificate is issued to that effect, you will not be liable to UK tax on your Chinese salary even as a UK resident.
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Think carefully before joining Hainan due to their current financial problems. Rumours of some agencies not being able to pay their pilots, Airbus stopping further deliveries as well. Hopefully they are "too big to fail" and it gets sorted out.
China Southern may be a better option at the moment. |
Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
(Post 10200890)
You have to remember that to qualify for non residence tax status you have to be out of the UK for the whole tax year apart from your 180 days allowance. If you go or come back within the tax year you are liable for that year's taxes.
As mentioned, if your Chinese airline pays ALL tax in China then there wont be an issue in UK as the overall tax rates in China are very similar to UK and as such no top up required. The issue is finding out whether the airline you are moving to pays full tax before committing as otherwise you will get an unwelcome tax bill. Cheers |
Originally Posted by krismiler
(Post 10201538)
Think carefully before joining Hainan due to their current financial problems. Rumours of some agencies not being able to pay their pilots, Airbus stopping further deliveries as well. Hopefully they are "too big to fail" and it gets sorted out.
China Southern may be a better option at the moment. I'm not saying that working in China or for Hainan Airlines specifically is without risk, but IMHO it's worth it and you're getting rewarded for it handsomely. Picking a reputable Agency and sufficient LoL Insurance etc are a very important part of that. |
Regarding smoking on the flight deck - the next revision of CCAR 121 will ban smoking. Some Chinese airlines already have due to a recent incident.
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Thanks for the info lots of of ‘food for thought’ I think the next step is to speak to Longreach about selection etc and contact HMRC to clarify the tax position as it just wouldn’t be worth it otherwise. I know it’s 20K a month for a reason. Its no brainier one has no job or is unhappy but leaving somewhere you enjoy is difficult but 20K a month is life changing! Any opinions on which carrier is a better place to be reserve roster UK with CSA or uk commuting base Hainan? |
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