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PhantomPilot 12th Sep 2018 04:28


Originally Posted by McRj (Post 10245569)
Just learned that the type rating and the hours flown in Taiwain are not recognized by the ICAO and FAA. Anyone know about this?

Cheers.

Well the hours are hours everywhere in the World. The license is not recognized, but that doesn't seem to be a problem for pilots that leave the company to fly somewhere else. Pilots (from Eva and China Airlines) have left for Emirates, Europe, Japan and the US and all of them got jobs there. So I wouldn't worry about that.

chinese3NMofftrack 14th Sep 2018 16:57

After working for 7 years in 4 different airlines around Asia my word of advice is....go.
Go have some fun and fly in different and challenging conditions...it is not easy and you will have some difficult times adapting to the culture (depending on the country) but it is worth it if you have a few years to spare...be careful with the company you choose since not all of them will give upgrade you.

I have a few friends working for EVA and they are happy. They, like me, have been through hell and back and they are happy to stay there for a career.

Good luck and never stop having fun flying

gustavowolf 18th Sep 2018 15:29

Upgrade
 
Does Eva air upgrade to captain and how long?!

How is the Commuting rosters?

PhantomPilot 19th Sep 2018 10:08


Originally Posted by gustavowolf (Post 10251960)
Does Eva air upgrade to captain and how long?!

How is the Commuting rosters?

Yes, they do. I've seen expats upgraded in about 5yrs. You come in as FO, then upgrade Senior FO (Cruise Capt), then Captain. As for the Commute, you have 8 block days off (BDO) per month and 20 days of Annual Leave (vacation days, that you can attach to the BDO). For the BDO periods EVA will give you tickets on their flights (you travel as crew so completely free).
It's a nice commuting contract.

Black Crow 19th Sep 2018 21:09


Originally Posted by PhantomPilot (Post 10252584)
Yes, they do. I've seen expats upgraded in about 5yrs. You come in as FO, then upgrade Senior FO (Cruise Capt), then Captain. As for the Commute, you have 8 block days off (BDO) per month and 20 days of Annual Leave (vacation days, that you can attach to the BDO). For the BDO periods EVA will give you tickets on their flights (you travel as crew so completely free).
It's a nice commuting contract.


8 days off per month? Seriously? And how does anyone view this as a good schedule? That's horrible.

Bladecreep 20th Sep 2018 02:06


Originally Posted by Black Crow (Post 10253166)
8 days off per month? Seriously? And how does anyone view this as a good schedule? That's horrible.

yes that was the straw that broke the camels back when I was seriously considering this 6months ago.
how can you enjoy taiwan with only 8 days off a month reeling in a circadian rhythm that is all sorts of messed up.

I got 19 days off and 70hrs of flying at my regional next month. And there are Chinese and other asian chicks in my city haha I think I'll stay for now.

JackAubrey 21st Sep 2018 05:57

Having a block of 8 consecutive days off each month, and ability to extend using annual leave days plus the firm ticket home, sounds like a great benefit for those who need to commute home regularly. Heard it's minimum 8, not max.
Not many expat jobs provide that, and definitely not in the MiddleEast.
Anyone know when the new 787s arrive?

Bladecreep 21st Sep 2018 15:42


Originally Posted by JackAubrey (Post 10254312)
Having a block of 8 consecutive days off each month, and ability to extend using annual leave days plus the firm ticket home, sounds like a great benefit for those who need to commute home regularly. Heard it's minimum 8, not max.
Not many expat jobs provide that, and definitely not in the MiddleEast.
Anyone know when the new 787s arrive?

oh so it's a guaranteed 8 day block off ? That's odd. How many days off between trips ? 30hrs or something ?

Black Crow 21st Sep 2018 18:38


Originally Posted by JackAubrey (Post 10254312)
Having a block of 8 consecutive days off each month, and ability to extend using annual leave days plus the firm ticket home, sounds like a great benefit for those who need to commute home regularly. Heard it's minimum 8, not max.
Not many expat jobs provide that, and definitely not in the MiddleEast.
Anyone know when the new 787s arrive?

Nope, that's just a twisting of the english language.

The "8 days off guarantee" is not 8 days consecutive, it's scattered through the month, typically 1 day or maybe 2 days here and there.

And here's the rub. You may arrive at 0200 from a trip on your first "off day" and then the second off day have a report time of 2200. Or even arrive at 2300, the next day "off" with a report time of 0100 for the next trip. Hardly any quality of life there.

In Asian workplace mentality, the employee is expected to always work. Multiple off days are reserved for management types and not employees. Rarely will you find a roster with more than those supposed 8 days off.

Commuting long distance with these jobs is a nightmare within itself.

Black Crow 21st Sep 2018 18:39


Originally Posted by Bladecreep (Post 10254738)
oh so it's a guaranteed 8 day block off ? That's odd. How many days off between trips ? 30hrs or something ?

See above.

BAe 146-100 21st Sep 2018 19:15

Eva Air has always been and will remain a low paid and mostly low benefits expat contract , with the only real appeal of non type rated airbus or boeing guys trying to get some time before they can bugger off in a few years to somewhere better. I fail to see why any rated airbus or boeing guy with time would go there as nowadays you can make just as much at home or even in some cases more and have a better quality of life. As said many times before Asia is great to travel, not necessarily to work in all cases as especially now the cost of these countries is increasing and the terms are not catching up just yet.

SeaArrrrrrJay 22nd Sep 2018 00:35


Originally Posted by JackAubrey (Post 10254312)
Anyone know when the new 787s arrive?

10/2 is the scheduled delivery date for the first one.

PhantomPilot 22nd Sep 2018 14:04


Originally Posted by Black Crow (Post 10254864)
Nope, that's just a twisting of the english language.

The "8 days off guarantee" is not 8 days consecutive, it's scattered through the month, typically 1 day or maybe 2 days here and there.

And here's the rub. You may arrive at 0200 from a trip on your first "off day" and then the second off day have a report time of 2200. Or even arrive at 2300, the next day "off" with a report time of 0100 for the next trip. Hardly any quality of life there.

In Asian workplace mentality, the employee is expected to always work. Multiple off days are reserved for management types and not employees. Rarely will you find a roster with more than those supposed 8 days off.

Commuting long distance with these jobs is a nightmare within itself.

Ok, let me try again.

BLOCK DAYS OFF (BDO) are different than DAYS OFF (DO) and are different than ANNUAL LEAVE (AL) days and are different than LAYOVER Day (LO)

In Eva you have 8 (BDOs) per month, several (DO) within the month, and 20 (increasing with the years) (AL) per year. (DO) are in Taiwan, and Layover (LO) are when on a trip.

Yes, the 8 Blocks Days Off (BDO) ARE consecutive and guaranteed, you request them and you can also add Annual Leave (AL) days (So you can request 8 BDOs and the 2 AL and you will have 10 continuous days off). Apart from those days, you have the regulatory, between flights Days Off (DO) and depends if you come from a Long Haul or Short Haul, you can get 36hrs, 24hrs, etc, etc between flights and then maybe some Standby Days.

Hope is more clear now. If not then ask and I'll try to explain again.

Black Crow 23rd Sep 2018 14:55


Originally Posted by PhantomPilot (Post 10255491)
Ok, let me try again.

BLOCK DAYS OFF (BDO) are different than DAYS OFF (DO) and are different than ANNUAL LEAVE (AL) days and are different than LAYOVER Day (LO)

In Eva you have 8 (BDOs) per month, several (DO) within the month, and 20 (increasing with the years) (AL) per year. (DO) are in Taiwan, and Layover (LO) are when on a trip.

Yes, the 8 Blocks Days Off (BDO) ARE consecutive and guaranteed, you request them and you can also add Annual Leave (AL) days (So you can request 8 BDOs and the 2 AL and you will have 10 continuous days off). Apart from those days, you have the regulatory, between flights Days Off (DO) and depends if you come from a Long Haul or Short Haul, you can get 36hrs, 24hrs, etc, etc between flights and then maybe some Standby Days.

Hope is more clear now. If not then ask and I'll try to explain again.

It boggles the mind that anyone would agree to this type of abysmal scheduling in today's employment market.

typhoonpilot 26th Sep 2018 01:02

Many local Taiwanese pilots have left both EVA and China Airlines for jobs in China, Korea, Japan, etc. The reason is they get more time at home in Taiwan and make more money than if they stay at EVA/China Airlines. That in itself should tell you everything you need to know about the airlines. They are good for low time pilots as a stepping stone, nothing more than that, unless they change their attitude towards employees.

EVA will be short of pilots going into next year so it might be a good time to join with the potential for a relatively quick upgrade on a widebody as the locals continue their exodus for better paying jobs and better QOL elsewhere.

JackAubrey 26th Sep 2018 01:54


Originally Posted by PhantomPilot (Post 10255491)
Ok, let me try again.

BLOCK DAYS OFF (BDO) are different than DAYS OFF (DO) and are different than ANNUAL LEAVE (AL) days and are different than LAYOVER Day (LO)

In Eva you have 8 (BDOs) per month, several (DO) within the month, and 20 (increasing with the years) (AL) per year. (DO) are in Taiwan, and Layover (LO) are when on a trip.

Yes, the 8 Blocks Days Off (BDO) ARE consecutive and guaranteed, you request them and you can also add Annual Leave (AL) days (So you can request 8 BDOs and the 2 AL and you will have 10 continuous days off). Apart from those days, you have the regulatory, between flights Days Off (DO) and depends if you come from a Long Haul or Short Haul, you can get 36hrs, 24hrs, etc, etc between flights and then maybe some Standby Days.

Hope is more clear now. If not then ask and I'll try to explain again.


Phantom, thanks for clarifying that. Nice having details from someone who's actually there. Is it possible to have the last 8 of the month off followed by the first 8 of the next, giving 16 off?
Cheers

PhantomPilot 30th Sep 2018 04:47


Originally Posted by JackAubrey (Post 10258480)
Phantom, thanks for clarifying that. Nice having details from someone who's actually there. Is it possible to have the last 8 of the month off followed by the first 8 of the next, giving 16 off?
Cheers

Yes, a lot of pilots do that, it's not guaranteed but it's common. Also you can also add AL days on each month and make it a, say, 20 day off vacation.

PhantomPilot 30th Sep 2018 04:52


Originally Posted by Black Crow (Post 10256247)
It boggles the mind that anyone would agree to this type of abysmal scheduling in today's employment market.

I fail to see the mind boggling part? It's a commuting contract that not that many airlines offer. There's more than enough rest between flights and the usual days off between flights and stdby days too. Of course depends also on the fleet you are in, but scheduling is not bad at all.
And if you are going to compare it to the USA or Europe, well, not everyone can go there to fly so for a lot of people those are not even options to consider.

B-757 30th Sep 2018 09:04


Originally Posted by Black Crow (Post 10256247)
It boggles the mind that anyone would agree to this type of abysmal scheduling in today's employment market.

..There are several commuting jobs available in Asia, mostly in China and Japan, where you can take up to 2 weeks off each month..Some include
a business class ticket home and back..Please do some research if you are interested..

Fly safe,
B-757

Black Crow 30th Sep 2018 14:36


Originally Posted by PhantomPilot (Post 10262045)
I fail to see the mind boggling part? It's a commuting contract that not that many airlines offer. There's more than enough rest between flights and the usual days off between flights and stdby days too. Of course depends also on the fleet you are in, but scheduling is not bad at all.
And if you are going to compare it to the USA or Europe, well, not everyone can go there to fly so for a lot of people those are not even options to consider.

These "commuting schedules" are pure crap. Ever wonder why airlines in the west don't resort to such scheduling tactics (except for the bottom feeders). And it's hilarious (if not pathetic) that you include "standby days". Got news for you, duty is duty. A standby day is not a day off as you are obligated.


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